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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by user@lemmy.world to c/lemmyworld@lemmy.world
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[โ€“] madception@sh.itjust.works 63 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Coming from sh.itjust.works. It seems there is a pattern of some attacks to forcing defederating some lemmy instances. Those threads can be found on both sh.itjust.works and lemmy.world. There are several vocal users dominating those threads (some user even reaches 20+ comments written in the same thread). Those user whose complaining user has total against, and already hostile to the instance they dislike, and interact to the other instances with bad faith, provoking, and insulting those instance. I believe this is some sort of coordinated pattern to break fediverse into echo-chamber.

IMO, defederation should be used as last resort, because normal user, especially seeking small niches, will be affected the most. In case of beehaw, there are tons of factors that are justifiable. I wish this defederation drama is not become the defining feature on both lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works.

I believe individual user can block communities and users, plus block instance feature is in the works. I wish the people who starts those threads can just do that.

[โ€“] MiddleWeigh@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

I wouldn't be surprised if reddit is cooking some shit up on their end tbh.

[โ€“] average650@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Can you link to those threads? It's my opinion that coordinated attacks like that should result in bans. Can you ban users from other instances on your instance?

[โ€“] dragontamer@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes.

The problem is that sh.itjust.works has an open-registration policy. So when Beehaw.org banned a user, they just made user2@sh.itjust.works and then user3@sh.itjustworks (etc. etc.) and Beehaw.org kept getting flooded with dick-pic spam.

The underlying question is one of open-registration vs closed-registration. Furthermore, its compounded by the fact that Mastodon-like moderation tools don't exist yet (Lemmy is much newer), so solutions from Mastodon don't exist yet.

It sounds like Beehaw.org is pretty confident that Mastodon-like moderation tools will allow them to open back up.

[โ€“] madception@lemmy.fmhy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It is still me just under different account. I decide seeing if the defederates posts settle before I reply to you.

On sh.itjust.works, This user creates several threads and comments to making wave hating on exploding-heads.com in last 24 hours and he is proud of the clout he generates. There are also several brigading kbin.social people replying to my comments as camoflaging as sh.itjust.works people; in my instance kbin.social people do not have their @ domain. I am correct on this one; there are several trolls try to abuse defederate feature disguised as community voice as they please.

In this instance I immediately see another post, that is posted in the same day here. However, this attempt immediately backtracked by the OP, so I think this is different than what happens on sh.itjust.works so I am wrong on this one.