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I was looking forward to trying Sync today now that it's live, but my enthusiasm was immediately dampened after seeing the "Data Safety" section on the Google Play store.

Liftoff has been great, and want to say thanks for making an awesome app. This will continue to be my daily driver.


Edit: for clarity, because the post got way bigger than I expected.

Sync looks like a fantastic app, and the dev/s should charge whatever they feel is fair for their efforts, even if that's through the usual ads + ad tracking.

My intent was just to post here in /c/Liftoff to thank the Liftoff devs for managing to somehow offer an awesome app without any of that.

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[–] designated_fridge@lemmy.world 81 points 1 year ago (5 children)

It's like people are trying to misinterpret.

Liftoff is strictly using Lemmy's free API and for the developer 5 users or 5M users doesn't make a difference to his expenses.

The Sync developer is obviously trying to do something more ambitious.

It's great that we have FOSS apps that do a decent job but we shouldn't look down on developers who put a lot of time, effort, and money into something expecting to make a return on their investment.

I don't like data collecting either but I accept that if you want to offer a free version - it's inevitable. What I hate is when you're not able to pay for ads to go away.

But I might be biased as I'm a developer myself and would hate to put 8-9 weeks of hard work into delivering a great app and then get hate for wanting to get something in return for that work.

[–] PrinterElf@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

You've been able to pay for ads to go away for about the last 16hrs, the update to B25 dropped last night.

The original plan was not to release version like that until it was more polished, but the masses have spoken and been listened to almost immediately.

In terms of data collection, LJD is literally just bothered about Crashlytics.

[–] nyanyans@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago

I am honestly fine with giving these permissions for a free version of the app as I understand the developers need to monetize with ads for the free version. What I would like to see though that the paid version with subscription is another app that does not ask for these permissions. If I am paying for the app to remove ads and/or get additional paid features, the app seemingly still collects that data. As a user I have no way to tell what the developer is doing with that data. Is it only to retain sessions / enable features or is my data being given to third parties regardless if I pay or not

[–] jarfil@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The Sync developer is obviously trying to do something more ambitious.

Hm, what exactly? It doesn't seem to have any particularly remarkable features 🤨

[–] GiddyGap@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Sounds like you didn't actually try the app. It's super fast and smooth. Lots of customization, great UI. I happily pay for that effort.

Sync will surely make the lemmy ecosystem more attractive and bring in a ton more people, which is a great thing for everyone here whether you use the app or not.

[–] jarfil@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ok, so I have been trying out Sync... and well, yes, the UI is slightly better, but most of the "fancy" stuff is only in the paid version... which is kind of steep for stuff I could wait a year or two without.

Most interesting feature I've seen, is the search function, but it still fails in many places, so that's somewhat bittersweet. Curiously, it's one of the free ones, so... well, I guess I'll leave it installed for a while and see how things go.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Tons of more options and a faster and smoother interface. And moving subscriptions across instances is coming. And it has cloud sync.

But I agree, it's quite pricy for the extra bells and whistles.

[–] jarfil@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Migrating accounts across instances is a pending Lemmy core feature, the server part has to sort that out.

Liftoff's interface seems fast and smooth to me, only thing I might be missing is some sort of "multireddits" or Mastodon-like "timelines" to sort things out a bit better, but using multiple accounts kind of works too.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I mean it's probably better if the server has it, but it can be implemented client side too. All the information about a users subs is right there in the api.

And it feels like the server devs have their hands full, so features like this could be quite some time.

[–] UndefinedIsNotAFunction@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This sounds exactly like the conversations we have at work. Cries in frontend.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] UndefinedIsNotAFunction@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can you PLEASE not send empty result sets with a next token then?

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean... That's the only fun we have around here.

That's entirely fair. That's why I went more frontend. The tiniest visual tweak always ends in negative feedback. It's super fun.

[–] aircooledJenkins@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

moving subscriptions across instances

The language on Sync Ultra is "Import / export subscriptions (Easily move between instances)"

[–] moitoi@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nothing more than what the free apis do.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 3 points 1 year ago

Well yeah, but I think the apis are enough. There are already utilities using those apis to copy subscriptions.

[–] scarrtt@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Something" is $115 for the lifetime subscription. I paid $35 for the same thing 13 months ago, and it was $3 before that. He didn't exactly build the app from scratch either. It's greed, so I'll be getting the cracked version on Mobilism as soon as it's released

[–] worsedoughnut@lemdro.id 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

One time ad removal is $20, the ultra subscription is clearly a very different thing so.

[–] scarrtt@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You don't think it's unusual that he's more than tripled the price of Ultra? After selling a "lifetime" sub 13 months ago? This is a total swizz