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[–] chrizbie@lemmy.nz 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah it's always strange to me that most people are working class yet most people are so allergic to the idea of socialism, thanks Russia

[–] refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

P r o p a g a n d a

Also the history of centralized control over industry hasn't worked out too well. I'm more of the Richard Wolff philosophy of democracy over the workplace, along with a very strong social safety net, including, but not limited to a UBI that is enough for people to comfortably live on.

[–] bigkix@lemm.ee -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If everyone got UBI, no one would eventually be able to live comfortably off it.

Edit: Also, "propaganda" but "the history of centralized control over industry hasn’t worked out too well" LOL

[–] novibe@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Huummm… thanks Russia? And not the CIA? Why would Russia be responsible for people hating socialism?

[–] chrizbie@lemmy.nz 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well whatever, the whole Soviet thing didn't really go very well

[–] novibe@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It ended really badly, but how did it not go very well during it? Honest question here.

[–] refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It devolved into authoritarianism with Stalin.

[–] novibe@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Authoritarianism doesn’t really mean much. And according to the US (through the CIA) itself, Stalin-era USSR was more democratic than appeared in western media.

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP80-00810A006000360009-0.pdf

But in any case, even if that was the case, it wasn’t “authoritarian” after Stalin. Like y’know, most countries after WW2 (not just Italy and Germany btw. Or people forget Churchill and FDR, and the “war economies”? The internment camps, jailing of “political dissidents” etc. etc.).