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"I Disapprove of What You Say, But I Will Defend to the Death Your Right to Say It." - Evelyn Beatrice Hall

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[–] OceanSoap@lemmy.ml -5 points 3 days ago (4 children)

This is the fundamental issue with people arguing against free speech: I can never tell if they know they behave fascisticaly or not. Are they ignorant, or do they know?

This past election was very eye-opening in that everyone on the left was so absolutely confident that Trump wouldn't win. So much so they had already started laying things out for their own fascist takeover.

And yes, the left can act in a fascist manner.

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Remember that bill that would strip non-profit status from any group, based on the whim of the president? With no hope of appeal? That was very popular with Democrats, until Trump won.

Even if you assholes don't abuse something like that, you know that you aren't going to be in office forever? There's an election every 4 years, remember?

Don't go conflating Democrats with the left, though. There's some overlap, but they aren't the same.

[–] OceanSoap@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 days ago

It's hard because there's so much reshuffling going on. I personally have to clarify now that I'm a constitutionalist liberal, because liberal means too many different things to different people.

[–] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This is the fundamental issue with people arguing against free speech: I can never tell if they know they behave fascisticaly or not. Are they ignorant, or do they know?

People who support censorship always believe the censors will always side with their preferences. They never consider what happens when people they oppose control the censors, and for them merely not having allied censors in place feels like they are being silenced (see conservative Christian types who inevitably get angry any time Christian-focused language isn't enforced [aka War on Christmas or anyone else requesting a display when there's a public religious display on government property]).

[–] OceanSoap@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 days ago

Yes, very true. Always.

[–] Bamboodpanda@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I am genuinely curious about your perspective—when you say the left can act in a fascist manner, could you provide some specific examples of what you mean? Also, how do you personally define fascism in this context?

[–] Holyginz@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Tell me you don't know what fascism is without actually saying it.