I don't know, it just reminds me of when Musk bought twitter and ppl online (especially this site) were like "hahahahah it's gonna implode in a week loolololol" and guess what, twitter is still around and now Musk is even more politically powerful. It kind of reminds me of how ppl were hyping up mastadon, blue sky, etc. and honestly who really uses those sites?

There's also the language barrier, like are ppl actually gonna seriously try to learn Chinese? Just installing duolingo and maybe doing a two day streak is what I predict most people will do. Btw learning a language from duolingo is like learning about socialism from AOC, i.e. it's actually harmful.

I just see this as a media hype cycle that will die down in a week or two and it's frustrating that ppl who call themselves materialists are now putting their faith (ironic right?) into some magical app just because it's controlled by a Chinese company, etc. The same ppl who say that real agitation/organizing/etc. is done offline are now advocating for some pure online shit and honestly just basing it off pure vibes. Kinda cringe.

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[–] crime@hexbear.net 41 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

No one's saying that this is going to bring about communism.

People are enjoying that Americans and Chinese are interacting with each other and it's going better than expected, completely shattering the narratives spun by the US state department. Some people are coming to the realization that they've been lied to about China for the first time, on the heels of the US government showing that the sacred first amendment is a lie too.

Saying this is nothing is immaterial too, just doomerism. If 1 in 10 people who switched to Rednote stay there, that's still 1.5 million yankees who now have a direct cultural window into China and will be inoculated against further sinophobic propaganda. If 1 in 100 learn a little Mandarin, that's 150,000 of them. If 1 in 1000 question their beliefs hard enough to become serious leftists, that's 15,000 new comrades.

[–] transnationalmaoist@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

No one’s saying that this is going to bring about communism.

Yeah but they certainly behave like it. There's this strange euphoria going on right now (which I believe will die down relatively soon) that rednote will "bring about class consciousness" etc. etc.

[–] crime@hexbear.net 1 points 2 hours ago

We've spent the last four days witnessing a very large number of Americans get rapidly deprogrammed of both the anti-China and the lie of US exceptionalism in realtime, at a speed and scale that isn't really comparable to anything that I've witnessed in my lifetime. Of course people are excited.

It's frankly weird to me that you feel the need to try to say "nooooo you can't have any optimism, nothing ever happens wojak-nooo " about what is objectively not nothing. Are you doing cointelpro tactics on purpose?

Instead of being determined to be a doomer about how this doesn't change anything, why don't you check out XHS and see for yourself? I'm only browsing casually and have personally come across a few posts of americans asking things like "chinese users, how do we get our government to give us the nice things like you have?" and all of the chinese users responding with variants on "you need working class solidarity and a communist revolution".

Class consciousness in a population is not a binary state — more people are achieving class consciousness as a result of this cultural exchange, thereby moving the needle on it. If you don't think it moves the needle far enough or effectively enough, why not use this flashpoint to agitate and help more people achieve class consciousness?