this post was submitted on 12 Jan 2025
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Ye Power Trippin' Bastards

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This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.

Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.

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Expect to receive feedback about your posts, they might even be negative.

Make sure you follow this instance's code of conduct. In other words we won't allow bellyaching about being sanctioned for hate speech or bigotry.


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OK peeps, I am seeing a lot of flamewars lately which go off-topic of this comm. I am also getting dozens of reports about people reporting each other for "rudeness" or "trolling". I don't want this comm to start becoming a drama haven, so I want to try and prevent people getting worked up like this.

What do you think about me starting to deploy strategic 1-day bans for people who I notice are getting into flamewars? If not, what else do you suggest to help people remain civil?

Don't just upvote/downvote. I won't take these into account, I want actual comments about this to better make a decision.

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[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Trolling doesn’t mean “harsh language.”

... right. that's incivility.

Trolling is the infuriating nonsense that makes reasonable people reach for harsh language.

what is the criteria when clear incivility is justified?

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Fuck civility. "Be nice or die" is a gift to cautious bastards. It's a formula for bait.

People need the ability to bluntly call horseshit, when faced with horseshit. Polite phrasing of said horseshit makes it worse. It creates the dynamic of bullying, where an honest response to abuse is treated as justification for that abuse.

Demanding that every response should take ten times more effort, all of which will be ignored, is a rule crafted for trolls. If someone can keep going 'oh so you mean [not what you said]? wow that's ridiculous and awful and pushes me further right,' and any sane reply like 'shut up, troll' is what gets banned, then the rules favor and protect fffucking obvious trolling. And yet: that's what too many moderators choose. Spotting rude language is easier. A forum free of blunt responses feels like you're helping.

But it's fundamentally not rewarding honesty, accuracy, or actual constructive conversation. It's pretending that bad faith doesn't exist.

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

oh so you mean [not what you said]

this is the definition of bad faith. just report it.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Doesn't work.

Unsurprisingly, the moderators who basically just Ctrl+F "fuck you" are reliably useless at removing polite abuse. In practice they protect and encourage it. I have been told numerous times, on this site and others, to just use my words and continue arguing with what must surely be a completely reasonable... sneering goblin. Some of those same moderators have chided me for continuing an argument. They don't know what they want and it's gonna be your fault. Especially if you say something unforgivable, like: "I'm out."

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

we are taking about the moderation of this community, and there is only one mod

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago

I'm talking about moderation in general.