!world@lemmy.world mods once again proving their incapacity to host a space for “world” news.
Terminology citation
Under Canada's Westminster-style parliamentary democracy, the terms government and Government of Canada refer specifically to the prime minister, Cabinet, and other members of the governing party inside the House of Commons, but typically includes the federal public service and federal departments and agencies when used elsewhere.[7] This differs from the United States, where the executive branch is referred to as an administration and the federal government encompasses executive, legislative, and judicial powers, similar to the Canadian Crown.
Emphasis mine. In particular I note that capitalization is not a factor. The fact that Voroxpete didn’t specify “capital G Government” doesn’t make a difference as I originally thought when reading.
Sure, my non-mod opinion of anyone stating an elected member of government is somehow not a member of government would, by our own rules, be removed as an ableist slur.
I'll let you guess which one.
Hello @jordanlund@lemmy.world,
Based on all of the answers below from Canadians citizens, it seems that the comment you removed was correct in the Canadian definition of the government, so not misinformation. Could you please consider restoring it?
Hello,
I'm affraid Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works is correct. Since the Liberal party has the majority, it is, by definition, a Liberal government.
You know, it's okay to be wrong sometimes. And it makes you a bigger person to admit that you are wrong.
I feel sorry about how this thread went the way it did with toxic replies, and removed comments and user bans. And, as a mod, I don't think it's a good idea to remove comments or ban users whom you disagree with. And even if they really are wrong, if their intent isn't to spread propaganda and hate, it doesn't warrant their comments being removed or them being banned. This is ridiculous. This shows a certain lack of maturity. Everyone needs to take a step back and think about what happened.
Not Canadian, but the Canadian terminology described above is common in other parliamentary democracies as well.
In Sweden, where I live, members of parliament (ledamöter) will be said to be part of government if they are a member of one of the governing parties (these parties will have ministers in the government/cabinet), a supporting party if they voted in favour of the government (these parties do not have ministers in government but generally vote in favour of government propositions) and opposition if they abstained or voted against (these parties usually vote against government propositions).
Generally, MPs not member of the ruling parties will not be called "members of government", particularly members of the opposition.
I think the issue here is simply not being familiar with politics & governance outside the US.
Indeed, similar with the other democracies I'm familiar with (France, Spain)
Same in Australia, they would be part of the Shadow Ministry/Shadow Cabinet.
We’d call them politicians, but not government.
Asking for other Canadian citizens, as the justification provided in the thread seems correct https://lemmy.world/comment/14009536
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Well I'm not an expert but my understanding matches the cited terminology. Elected representatives as the guy from NDP are called MPs - members of parliament. Unless they're a part of the governing party or cabinet ministers, they're literally not governing. They're simply not responsible and don't have the authority to deal with government issues. E.g. if there's a postal workers strike, it's not their responsibility to order the workers back to work. The asshole doing that is the labor minister, an MP of the governing party - the LPC. Non-government MPs vote on proposed legislation among other things.
I think you summarized it well.
Thanks !
Thank you for confirming. I'll wait until tomorrow and ping the mod again