Hello, sh.itjust.works community. I am curious what you think about ClubsAll, and whether you think we should stay federated with them. A few other Lemmy instances have recently defederated so this seems like a timely topic for discussion.
In short, ClubsAll is an ActivityPub-compatible Reddit clone. The site currently has one-way federation with no attribution: ClubsAll pulls content from Lemmy and displays it as local ClubsAll content. For example, you can visit https://clubsall.com/c/196 and there is no indication that the content is from https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/c/196.
Here are relevant posts with more information and context:
In the first post the ClubsAll founder commented that they plan to eventually have two-way federation, and to make the project open source. Whether those things actually happens is anyone's guess.
What do you think?
Hi there, I am creator of clubsall. We absolutely do care about community.
There were many discussion few months ago. There were also private discussions with some admins. Because we are not lemmy based, so our development takes time (plus my developer left, plus we were trying to move to sublinks which itself has federation issues). So federation for us is not a config setting. Also, we are a very niche site with almost no traffic.
Additionally, different admins feel different rules are fair, so it is hard for us to know how to be good community members. I request a common set of rules, preferably based on traffic, so any newbie can get the breathing room to develop and participate. Does that sound fair?
You can say that all you want, but actions speak louder than words.
You launched what you apparently considered to be your MVP, and it's a one-way leech of fediverse user content.
The fact that you were willing to launch without federation in place signals, at least to me, that you care far less about community participation than you do about the content the community produces.
Welcome to the fediverse, where every software stack works a little differently, and every server has its own rules.
You're asking for someone to give you a set of common rules across all instances? For unpaid users and/or volunteer admins to spend their time compiling this information just to provide it to you?
No, actually. To me that doesn't sound fair at all.
You have a reasonable argument that it is not possible for everyone to come up with common rules.
The issue is that there are numerous posts instigating and encouraging everyone to defederate. But without a clear definition of what is acceptable. In other words, this approach makes it very hard for anyone from building anything new and participate in federation. So this seems against the goal of "open network" and discourage others from doing anything new.
If that is the goal, then I cannot really win here. If that is not the goal, then I ask not to make such posts and not to encourage everyone to defederate. Anyone who has an issue can reach out to me and I can address their concerns.
Is that reasonable?
Why do you think that is?
Hint: It's not because people are against federation with new instances.
No. People have told you repeatedly what the main issues are. If you want people to stop criticizing, then perhaps you should actually listen to them.