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What's a piece of fanon that you suspect the writers believe? OR, What's a piece of fanon that has been recently (ish) canonized? (startrek.website)
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For example, the Federation's founding members (Tellarites, Andorians, Vulcans, Humans) were the subject of fan theories and "fanon" for many years before the ENT writers made it official. One of the interesting (and fun) aspects of this recent wave of series has been seeing the writers increasingly add nods to fan theories and pieces of fanon lore over the years. What are some good examples of this?

And relatedly: what's a fan theory, or piece of fanon, that you suspect the current writers believe, even if they haven't explicitly stated it on-screen?

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[–] Garak@startrek.website 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Bashir and O'Brien did not just have what the official startrek.com website refers to as a "homosocial" relationship.

I think the writers did kind of start off with a bromance, and then the ~~slashfic writers~~ fans got a hold of it, and then this game of "chicken" ensued where the innuendo got more and more explicit.

There are many, many such moments: one comes from Field of Fire

O'BRIEN: The kid's a born helmsman. BASHIR: And so say all of us. ALL: Hear, hear. ILARIO: Thanks. I'm just glad to be here. O'BRIEN: It's the best posting in the galaxy. BASHIR: If there's anything you want, anything at all, just ask. ILARIO: Well, there is one thing. O'BRIEN: Name it. ILARIO: Next time you two go to the holosuite, I'd like to come along. O'BRIEN: Sorry. BASHIR: Can't be done. O'BRIEN: No, it's out of the question. BASHIR: It's impossible. KIRA: Don't take it personally. They're very serious about their leisure activities. BASHIR: It's a good way to relieve stress. O'BRIEN: Yeah, I highly recommend it. BASHIR: Just not with us. O'BRIEN: No. You know, when you have a holosuite visit, it's sort of a personal experience. BASHIR: He's very particular about anybody seeing him in his coonskin cap. You understand. ILARIO: I suppose. QUARK: Gentlemen, your holosuite is ready. BASHIR: Terrific. Now if there's anything else you need? O'BRIEN: Just let us know. (O'Brien and Bashir go up the stairs) ILARIO: Have you ever gone to the holosuite with them? KIRA: Me? Never. EZRI: I know when I'm not wanted.

The moment is even odder because we know from episodes like A Simple Investigation and Badda Bing Badda Bang that O'Brien and Bashir did go to the holosuites with others, including Jadzia Dax, for fun -- but when they went alone, together, they did not want anyone else to be there.

...But to me the real finishing piece is from Extreme Measures:

O'BRIEN: I should've left a note for Keiko to let her what we were planning. BASHIR: Why worry her? O'BRIEN: No, I want her and the kids to understand why I had to do this. BASHIR: She'll understand. She'll know you did it for me. O'BRIEN: That's what'll upset her the most. She always said I liked you more than I liked her. BASHIR: That's ridiculous. O'BRIEN: Right. Yeah. BASHIR: Well maybe you do, a bit more. O'BRIEN: What? Are you crazy? She's my wife. I love her. BASHIR: Of course you love her. She's your wife. O'BRIEN: Yeah. BASHIR: I'm just saying maybe you like me a bit more, that's all. O'BRIEN: I do not. BASHIR: You spend more time with me. O'BRIEN: We work together. BASHIR: We have more in common. O'BRIEN: Julian, you are starting to annoy me. BASHIR: Darts, racquetball, Vic's lounge, the Alamo. Need I go on? O'BRIEN: I love my wife. BASHIR: And I love Ezri. Passionately. O'BRIEN: You do? BASHIR: Yes. O'BRIEN: Have you told her? BASHIR: Not yet. But I will. O'BRIEN: Oh, yeah? When? BASHIR: When I'm ready. It's just that I like you a bit more. See? There, I've admitted it. O'BRIEN: Yeah, well, I love my wife.

The dialogue doesn't even really do it justice, I don't see how you can watch that scene and conclude something other than that they had a romantic relationship.