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After less than two weeks of retreating with few shots fired and little resistance, the SAA has retreated into, well, a state of non-existence. This thereby ends a conflict that has been simmering for over a decade. With the end of this conflict, another begins: the carving up of what used to be Syria between Israel and Turkey, with perhaps the odd Syrian faction getting a rump state here and there. Both Israel and Turkey have begun military operations, with Israel working on expanding their territory in Syria and bombing military bases to ensure as little resistance as possible.

Israeli success in Syria is interesting to contrast against their failures in Gaza and Lebanon. A short time ago, Israel failed to make significant territorial progress in Lebanon due to Hezbollah's resistance despite the heavy hits they had recently taken, and was forced into a ceasefire with little to show for the manpower and equipment lost and the settlers displaced. The war with Lebanon was fast, but still slow enough to allow a degree of analysis and prediction. In contrast, the sheer speed of Syria's collapse has made analysis near-impossible beyond obvious statements like "this is bad" and "Assad is fucking up"; by the time a major Syrian city had fallen, you barely had time to digest the implications before the next one was under threat.

There is still too much that we don't know about the potential responses (and non-responses) of other countries in the region - Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, and Russia, for example. I think that this week and the next will see a lot of statements made by various parties and an elucidation of how the conflict will progress. The only thing that seems clear is that we are in the next stage of the conflict, and perhaps have been, in retrospect, since Nasrallah's assassination. This stage has been and will be far more chaotic as the damage to Israel compounds and they are willing to take greater and greater risks to stay in power. It will also involve Israel causing destruction all throughout the region, rather than mostly localizing it in Gaza and southern Lebanon. Successful gambles like with Syria may or may not outweigh the unsuccessful ones like with Lebanon. This is a similar road to the one apartheid South Africa took, but there are also too many differences to say if the destination will be the same.

What is certain is that Assad's time in power can be summarized as a failure, both to be an effective leader and to create positive economic conditions. His policies were actively harmful to internal stability for no real payoff and by the end, all goodwill had been fully depleted. By the end, the SAA did not fight back; not because of some wunderwaffen on the side of HST, but because there was nothing to fight for, and internal cohesion rapidly disintegrated.


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[–] miz@hexbear.net 47 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] SoyViking@hexbear.net 31 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Once there is a sufficient amount of Oreshnik missiles, Russia will no longer consider the use of nuclear weapons, President Vladimir Putin said, addressing a meeting of the Council on Civil Society and Human Rights.

"We are improving our nuclear doctrine, not tightening it. Basically, now, we need to improve the Oreshnik missile, not the nuclear doctrine," Putin noted.

"If we take a closer look, a sufficient amount of these cutting-edge weapon systems will actually eliminate the need for the use of nuclear weapons," he explained.

They seem to really believe in the Oreshnik. It must be quite capable.

[–] bbnh69420@hexbear.net 18 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I truly don’t get how this is that big a sea change? Why would people be equally as threatened by an Oreshnik than a nuke?

[–] xiaohongshu@hexbear.net 30 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Imagine having the ability to decimate an entire military formation, total destruction of enemy air bases and installations, with a single launch of a rocket without having to resort to complicated aerial operations that involve hundreds of planes/missiles in the air.

Currently the only weapon that can deliver this sort of damage is a tactical nuke. Oreshnik completely changed the game on this front. There is nothing in this world that can stop it. And there is no NATO equivalent.

With sufficient numbers Russia can completely decimate NATO military in Europe with precision without having to launch a single nuke.

For one thing, it sends a signal that they can directly touch any leader in the world, even if they're in a bunker.

Enough of these things could theoretically destroy an entire leg of the US nuclear triad and there's no answer for it yet.

[–] Commiejones@hexbear.net 20 points 1 week ago

I truly don’t get how this is that big a sea change? Why would people be equally as threatened by an Oreshnik than a nuke?

Because you cant defend against it. Its like why a sword isn't as scary as a bullet. Sure a sword can take off a limb but you can block it or run away but a bullet will go through most things and you cant outrun it.

Oreshnik wont replace strategic nukes but it can do what tactical nukes are designed for with none of the radiation or taboo. Strategic nukes are basically props that uphold MAD. Tactical nukes are designed to destroy entire armies with a single strike but they are basically unusable because the difference between using them or Strategic is just a matter of scale. Any use of a tactical nuke sets off the MAD responses the same way strategic nukes would.

Because Oreshnik is a conventional weapon it can be deployed without anyone saying it is a WMD or a contravention of any treaties. Oreshnik decimated a giant factory. We haven't seen how serious the damage was but we can theorise what happens when something the weight of a warhead strikes the ground at mach 10. We also have seen how hard the west is working to keep secret how things look after the strike.

[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

An airbase really. Submunition warheads can do large scale damage to such installations, and kinetic submunitions travelling at 2.5-3.0 kilometres per second on impact will slice through any hardened aircraft shelter that ordinary conventional explosive submunitions would be unable to damage or penetrate. Each single Oreshnik IRBM has 6 groupings of 6 submunitions each, for a total of 36 submunitions. Think of Oreshnik as the missile version of a shotgun with six shells in the magazine tube, and each shell contains six pellets each, that can penetrate body armour. Now for instance, if Russia fired 6 of these Oreshnik IRBMs, you're looking at 36 seperate groupings, and 216 total kinetic submunitions. Again, this is only from 6 missiles.

There was a graphic going around after Iran's strike on Nevatim Airbase in Israel, showing how much more targets Iran could have hit if they used submunitions. It was quite eye opening, I'll see if I can find it. Now Iran did not use submunitions in that attack, because conventional submunitions would not have the kinetic energy, nor the explosive power to penetrate the hardened aircraft shelters at Nevatim, where Israel stored their F-35s. Oreshnik has no such issues with the kinetic energy of it's submunitions impacting the target at such high speeds.

At the end of the day Oreshnik is a conventional prompt strike (CPS) weapons system, there's some interesting reading on that if you're looking at the impact CPS weapons can have on deterrence and nuclear doctrine. If you google or research CPS weapons, you can find some interesting things, feel free to post anything interesting if you do so, it's a topic that hasn't seen much debate since it was last a big issue in meetings between Putin and Obama. The Bush Jr administration was actually the first to consider the development of such a weapon.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago

because it cannot be stopped, no known defense against it and it can pinpoint hit anywhere within tens of thousands of kms

[–] BynarsAreOk@hexbear.net 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The longer the U.S. is doubting the effects of hardened metal darts hitting at MACH 10 and the Oreshnik missile's availability the greater the need for Russia to hit a real U.S. target.

[–] SupFBI@hexbear.net 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Putin needs to get off of his ass. Bullies like the US can only be stopped by bloodying their nose. You can't negotiate, you can't reason. If the US wants to position itself as a mad dog, do what you must do with a mad dog.

[–] SupFBI@hexbear.net 5 points 6 days ago

Words mean nothing, red lines mean nothing to the US. The West will lie, cheat and steal all the while cutting you to ribbons. By the time you realize you need to stand up, you've lost too much blood.