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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 65 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Forget the brainworms.

The only thing that matters is working class vs ruling class.

Brainworms can be solved if you can first get people on working class vs ruling class. You have them listening to prole agitators instead of the bourgeoise. The brainworms were injected by the fact they've been listening to the bourgeoise in the first place, once you get them away from that and into a communist sphere of influence you can melt them away.

[–] quarrk@hexbear.net 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I agree with you completely. It’s clear he gives a shit about the greater good even if his analysis sucks. The latter can be fixed. Well not in this guy’s case — he’s fucked.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah my point is not so much about this guy but how discussion about this guy can be channeled. Not just this guy but the sentiment "shooting CEOs is good actually" is literally everywhere now, which is NEVER going to be something the right supports.

A highly upvoted comment on Ben Shapiro's video condemning the shooting was "if the left supports this call me a leftist then".

All we have to do to actually get people to hear us out is use the right language when they open the door, then fix the brainworms once they're actually listening to us. The biggest barrier is getting them to listen in the first place.

[–] quarrk@hexbear.net 20 points 1 week ago

Gotta strike while the irons hot. People are temporarily amenable to radical action, so they will be more willing to listen to ideas they normally tune out

[–] menas@lemmy.wtf 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

To be true, it need to be consistent against discrimination that divide the working class (such as racism, patriarchy and imperialism). So one who imply in class struggle, shall not be class first However I honestly didn't get how this kind of position could be right wing. There is consistent left position in both atheism and religious. Moreover, both religion and political atheism are trusted by far right.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago

I don't think we need to create perfect communists.

What we need to create is a party large enough and organised enough to seize the moment. And a proletariat angry enough to do revolution.

ANY party that is large and well organised enough to.... ORGANISE... Will defacto become the vessel of revolution because people will be forced into supporting whatever is realistic and available when it happens.

Hamas for example has all the weapons, largely because of supporting allies in Hezbollah and Iran. This used to be the PFLP but then the soviet union fell and that's where their supplies were from so they've dropped off as the most realistic vessel for resistance in Palestine, people support the most realistic thing that can do resistance and that thing happens to be who has the most weapons.

The same scenario plays out in revolutions around the world. Those with the most organisational power (and the most ability to do violence) will leap to the forefront of a revolutionary situation. The people will want neither of the main parties, they will want whatever the most realistic next possible is. The job of communists is to become that and be ready for the opportunity, then seize it decisively when it comes and fend off opposition.

The members of the party need to be perfect communists, for obvious reasons, the party needs to be led well and have good ideology. The people that follow it do not, it's beneficial but not important for purism among the proletariat itself.