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Image is of one of the six salvos of the Oreshnik missile striking Ukraine.


The Oreshnik is an intermediate-range ballistic missile that appears to split into six groups of six submunitions as it strikes its target, giving it the appearance of a hazel flower. It can travel at ten times the speed of sound, and cannot be intercepted by any known Western air defense system, and thus Russia can strike and conventionally destroy any target anywhere in Europe within 20 minutes. Two weeks ago, Russia used the Oreshnik to strike the Yuzhmash factory in Ukraine, particularly its underground facilities, in which ballistic missiles are produced.

Despite the destruction caused by the missile, and its demonstration of Russian missile supremacy over the imperial core, various warmongering Western countries have advocated for further reprisals against Russia, with Ukraine authorized by the US to continue strikes. Additionally, the recent upsurge of the fighting in Syria is no doubt connected to trying to stretch Russia thin, as well as attempting to isolate Hezbollah and Palestine from Iran; how successful this will have ended up being will depend on the outcome of the Russia and Syrian counteroffensive. Looking at recent military history, it will take many months for the Russians and Syrians to retake a city that was lost in about 48 hours.

Even in the worst case scenario for Hezbollah, it's notable that Ansarallah has had major success despite being physically cut off from the rest of the Resistance and under a blockade, and it has defeated the US Navy in its attempts to open up the strait. Israel has confirmed now that their army cannot even make significant territorial gains versus a post-Nasrallah, post-pager terrorist attack Hezbollah holding back its missile strike capabilities. In 2006, it also could not defeat a much less well-armed Hezbollah and was forced to retreat from Lebanon.


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https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.
https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.
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[–] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 58 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Today's MoA is worth reading and certified chud-brainworm free

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2024/12/craig-murray-the-end-of-pluralism-in-the-middle-east-.html#more

A truly seismic change in the Middle East appears to be happening very fast. At its heart is a devil’s bargain – Turkey and the Gulf States accept the annihilation of the Palestinian nation and creation of a Greater Israel, in return for the annihilation of the Shia minorities of Syria and Lebanon and the imposition of Salafism across the Eastern Arab world.

What this all potentially amounts to is the end of pluralism in the Levant and its replacement by supremacism. An ethno-supremacist Greater Israel and a religio-supremacist Salafist Greater Syria.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 37 points 2 weeks ago

He was the deputy leader of ISIS, and the CIA actually has a $10 million bounty on his head! Yes, that is the same CIA which is funding and equipping him and giving him air support.

This is really smart to be honest.

Put a bounty on the head of the person you support and you get free information from traitors who you can then round up.

[–] BynarsAreOk@hexbear.net 34 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

Simply put, many Sunni Muslims have been brainwashed into hating Shia Muslims more than they hate those currently committing genocide of an overwhelmingly Sunni population in Gaza.

I refer to the UK because I witnessed this first hand during the election campaign in Blackburn. But the same is true all over the Muslim world. Not one Sunni Muslim-led state has lifted a single finger to prevent the genocide of the Palestinians.

Their leadership is using anti-Shia sectarianism to maintain popular support for a de facto alliance with Israel against the only groups – Iran, Houthi and Hezbollah – which actually did attempt to give the Palestinians practical support in resistance. And against the Syrian government which facilitated supply.

The unspoken but very real bargain is this. The Sunni powers will accept the wiping out of the entire Palestinian nation and formation of Greater Israel, in return for the annihilation of the Shia communities in Syria and Lebanon by Israel and forces backed by NATO (including Turkey).

Also he is re-posting from https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2024/12/the-end-of-pluralism-in-the-middle-east/

Its wild that random shit libs have a further left position than some people here. Yeah why would anyone beg Russia/China/Iran in this critical moment to go and save Assad of all people lol. Wild days.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 25 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

That comment you are alluding to kind of sent me off the rails tbh. I kind of hate all the people here acting like it doesn’t matter if Syria falls and Assad is a corrupt dictator or whatever. Jesus Christ such small minds and short sights. The axis of resistance must stick together and it must prevail. Defeats of segments of the axis is extremely serious and bad, I hate the aloof attitude of “who cares man he’s a reactionary” from leftists.

It's a reaction they are having to a catastrophic situation to defend their own psychology, they are pre-emptively separating themselves from the Syrian government so they are less devastated if/when it falls. Not the type of attributes I hope to see in my allies tbh, cutting and running when things get bad to preserve their sense of selves.

[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 22 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

As someone that's been following the situation in Syria since 2011, this is just straight up devastating. I've just run out of words. I still remember August 2015 and how desperate it was, and then to be glad that Russia finally intervened at the end of September 2015. I didn't even know it happened until October because I didn't have internet or TV access for the whole month. Now it's just... It all feels hollow.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 26 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Russia's intervention and the Syrian Civil War is possibly one of the biggest political influences on me, and the main reason I had a very strong pro-Russia position when the Ukrainian conflict escalated in 2022. It was miraculous and it was the first time the western proxies were defeated in the field in quite a long time, since at least the Vietnam War. It was the turning point where things stopped getting worse and started getting better. Thank god we didn't have another Libya, I thought to myself.

To see it all undone, decades of work and sacrifice, the death of so many martyrs, in such a short timeframe is heartbreaking. And to see people on here act like it's no big deal or be in denial of it is sad. This is an extremely big deal and extremely bad. We've witnessed Israeli genocide for a year straight and people just non-chalantly shrug when Israel's primary enemies in the region are faltering. WTF?! Are they completely ignorant or do they really not give a single fuck about Palestine? We are getting not just 1 more Libya, the whole fucking shia and non-sunni/jewish middle east is going to become Libya-fied. It's unbelievable and terrible.

[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 23 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

It was miraculous and it was the first time the western proxies were defeated in the field in quite a long time, since at least the Vietnam War. It was the turning point where things stopped getting worse and started getting better.

Yeah seeing Putin announce that he would being bombing ISIS oil trucks after Turkey shot down a Russian Su-24 was a big turning point geopolitically. It was a signal that Russia was not taking this lightly, that they were going to bomb the western proxies' source of funding directly. No more tip toeing around the issue.

We are getting not just 1 more Libya, the whole fucking shia and non-sunni/jewish middle east is going to become Libya-fied. It's unbelievable and terrible.

I really think that a lot of USA citizens and/or westerners struggle to grasp how bad this is and can get in terms of ethnic divide, and it comes down to the way race, along with ethno cultural groups, are seen in mainstream society there. I know you've gotten into extensive arguments over that very topic in the past on this website. I wrote a comment on it in this thread somewhere. For all the faults of the Assad government, he at least tried to create a secular state and mitigate this issue. That is something that is incredibly difficult to do (even in a country that is considered "racially homogeneous" by USA/western definitions) and can easily fall apart into indescribable barbarism.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 25 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

To me it almost feels akin to the collapse of the soviet union, at a smaller scale of course but the same dynamics. The old government had become stale and corrupt, and the people became apathetic and "tired" and just kind of gave up. They thought that when this happened they would just become a western Liberal Democracy and stay as a union, nobody foresaw the widespread looting and destruction that would follow. The untold misery. The tens of millions of deaths and destroyed lives. The decades of reactionary trends that would spring up in its wake. The fascist resurgence and black terror.

You had western "leftists" shrugging their shoulders at the collapse of the USSR, or even cheering it on, as it was "no true socialism".

Just a profoundly sad situation all around.

What would happen if capital succeeded in smashing the Republic of Soviets? There would set in an era of the blackest reaction in all the capitalist and colonial countries, the working class and the oppressed peoples would be seized by the throat, the positions of international communism would be lost.

Normal people are unable to grasp the psychopathy and barbarity of imperialists. They are unable to grasp the interconnectivity of the global class struggle. They think they will be treated with respect and humanity as they fold their cards and admit defeat, only to be slaughtered and looted and r*ped. ISIS taking over a country isn't just a "whatever" thing, it's world historically bad.

[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm so fearful that the scenario you described in the first paragraph could happen in South Africa with the inevitable decline of the ANC (political party of Nelson Mandela, that liberated us from apartheid). It seems like a general trend that imperialists exploit for their own gains. That's why anti corruption purges, like what Xi did in China, and what is currently happening in Vietnam, are so important.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 27 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It's just a very sad outcome of revolutions in one country. Without a global revolution every single revolution will eventually putter out of steam and eventually collapse. This is why China cannot just sit idly by "until it wins by doing nothing". Global revolutions is essential to their own personal revolution being sustained. The USSR knew this and at least attempted to bring it about for some time - and once they withdrew to their own borders and stopped supporting the Chinese it was the beginning of the end.

[–] Tomorrow_Farewell@hexbear.net 9 points 2 weeks ago

You had western "leftists" shrugging their shoulders at the collapse of the USSR, or even cheering it on, as it was "no true socialism".

Hell, you have people here talk about how good it was for the PRC to 'crush' the USSR.

[–] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I kind of hate all the people here acting like it doesn’t matter if Syria falls and Assad is a corrupt dictator or whatever.

Is this happening here somewhere? Where are the receipts? I watch these threads pretty carefully and I haven't seen the kind of sentiment you're asserting exists in numbers.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

It's in this thread but also widespread on this website and throughout the western left more generally. People have always been dismissive of Russia/Iran/Assad faction in Syria, calling them just another faction in a sea of factions instead of taking the correct anti-imperialist line. They also generally are more favorable to the SDF/YPG even though they host Americans and release ISIS prisoners to do offenses against the Syrians, and steal Syrian oil so that they can't even run their own tanks.

People do not have the appropriate stance of revolutionary defeatism and anti-imperialism, it just bugs me how blase people are about millions of people in Syria now under ISIS rule like it's a lateral move and like the struggle for Palestine will not be negatively impacted by this, to the point of logistical collapse. This is a massive victory for zionists and imperialists, HTS won't just be chill there's an explicit purpose to why this is happening right now.

It's not due to Assad's "corruption" that he collapsed, if corruption caused collapse then Ukraine wouldn't have withstood years of brutal grinding war. Assad's government was lacking resources and territory, it lacked economic development, it believed that Russia-Turkey would uphold the 2020 ceasefire so it focused too heavily on civilian rebuilding instead of continued defense. They had no oil because all their oil production was occupied by American-backed Kurds stealing it. They had no money because they couldn't collect taxes because they couldn't actually control large sections of the country and they were under severe sanctions. I hate this victim blaming shit where it's Syria's fault this is happening to them, Russia and Iran need to be criticized for their general inaction and lack of putting their money where their mouths were. Iran baited Hezbollah, Ansarallah and Hamas into greater conflict and then balked themselves and let others pay the price. Russia forced Assad not to do an Idlib offensive and refused to bomb the Turk occupiers, they forced Assad's government into a position where it was disunified and unable to function because the nation was frozen in a broken and occupied state. They shouldn't have led the others to the point of destruction if they weren't willing to fight alongside them.

Examples Here:

https://hexbear.net/comment/5709530

https://hexbear.net/post/4021802/5709814

https://hexbear.net/comment/5685484

[–] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

you've linked to one person with a poor take. largepenis correctly describes the situation as a disaster. and yeah no shit the 'western left more generally' sucks. you're correct to disagree with parzivus in that one take (obviously the HTS are US aligned) but it's ridiculous to take literally one person's bad post and extrapolate it to make it so that you are the one true newsmega poster. don't conflate what you're reading on the internet at large with what is going on here in this thread and in this community. be constructive instead of wildly hyperbolizing in a self serving way.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

self-serving? I just don't want to hear people shitting on the Syrians at this moment, I want to see some fucking solidarity and also serious analysis, not wishcasting on the other end of the spectrum. This was just a couple examples off the top of my head from the last day or so, and I didn't realize my 2 different conversations were with the same user until I went back and linked em.

You call me hyperbolic, but I'm attempting to thread the needle of correctly describing the situation and its urgency while still holding solidarity for Syrians. Some people either want to believe it is all perfectly fine, or they are shitting all over Assad for being a corrupt evil dictator idiot and the SAA for being cowards. Why does it have to be either of these extremes? I think it's extremely tragic and won't be making jokes about it, and I will also honor the martyrs and those who fought for 15 years. I think this needs to be handled with seriousness and find some of the general tone here too glib. People making jokes and stuff at the expense of Syrians, where Syrians are the butt of the criticism.

[–] HauntedBySpectacle@hexbear.net 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Isn't the inaction of Russia and Iran precisely proof that these bourgeois governments are more driven by their own interests than by principled anti-imperialism? This seems deeper to me than a strategic mistake. They are not stupid and they have powerful capabilities. What they also have are their own bourgeois and national interests.

I think there is a persistent false dichotomy among communists between the "Western left" position that all these powers are imperialist and so equally bad and undeserving of support, and the self-styled anti-imperialist position that only the Western bloc is imperialist and so its opponents are necessarily anti-imperialist. These opponents are playing a counterhegemomic role and still they aspire to imperialism or at the very least to their own capitalist development (IMO the latter necessarily implies the former, that's Marxism). It's not an either/or.

Russia and Iran simply will not self-sacrifice to the extent of the DPRK, Cuba, or currently the Yemenis. Why would these powers be consistent anti-imperialists when their system is built to sell out? Following bourgeois interests is the same reason Russia began to fight NATO in Ukraine in 2022 instead of 2014. Back then it was preferable to sell oil to Westerners than to fight imperialism.

It is true that Russia, Iran, & Syria under Assad are better than the alternative. I agree that it has been right to critically support them. This situation is an absolute disaster; Syria is on track for an Afghanistan/Libya style nightmare, and this is the clearest victory for Israel and its backers in over a year. But they are not communists and that is a clear reason why they act the way they do.

In my view, Russia intervened in Syria in 2015 because they wanted to maintain a partner in an increasingly Western-dominated Southwest Asia, they wanted the use of their ports, and they wanted the Syrian market to be more amenable to Russian than Western capital and weapons exports. They perceived the benefits as worth the costs. Now supporting Assad and the like would be good money following bad, so they won't do it. It is self-serving in the same way their betrayal of Armenia was. Let's not forget their historically close relationship with Israel either.

Bourgeois powers can be worthy of support over other bourgeois powers in a particular context, but that should not cloud our judgment to the point we are surprised when they do not give up capitalist development for the cause. In the case of Assad, part of the reason the war began in the first place was his government's neoliberal privatizations leading to mass popular discontent, which, as you know very well, the West promptly took advantage of to further destabilize and to promote Salafist insanity. (That is not incompatible with the Syrian government having no good options after the imperialist war began. I agree there's little they could have done past that pivot point; that should not be the focus of criticism.)

As an aside, this false dichotomy plays into the ridiculous turf war on this site between "doomers"/"bloomers". We need to break out of black and white thinking in general.

[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 22 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Its wild that random shit libs have a further left position than some people here. Yeah why would anyone beg Russia/China/Iran in this critical moment to go and save Assad of all people lol. Wild days.

I don't even bother calling this out outside of the news megathread anymore. I pointed it out in a comment yesterday how ignoring or simplifying ethno cultural and religious divides (like Sunni vs Shia and the different ethnicities that make up these groups), and just considering these groups as homogeneous (for example, condidering all Muslims in the middle east as homogeneous in this case, all black Africans as homogeneous, all Russians as homogeneous, etc) was a common mistake made by Americans in their analysis, especially considering that such divides have led to genocide before, and that comment got removed by a moderator. So what's the point even. A lot of Americans will just not understand it and misinterpret this critique of their analysis as ignoring race, because this kind of thing does not exist over there.

[–] Parzivus@hexbear.net 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah why would anyone beg Russia/China/Iran in this critical moment to go and save Assad of all people lol.

Not what I said. I do regret making that comment, because it brought out a bunch of people misrepresenting what I was saying in a way I usually only see on Reddit.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Forgive me if I don't condemn Russia/China/Iran/etc for not dropping everything to go save Assad of all people

This is word for word what you said. Nobody is misrepresenting you, you said it.

[–] Parzivus@hexbear.net 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I get why people want China/Russia/Iran to sweep in and save Assad. I was specifically saying that condemning those countries for not doing so is dumb.

Some people on Hexbear are very quick to declare these countries traitors every time they do/don't do exactly what they want them to. I find it obnoxious to assume you know better, especially given that the majority of people here are American.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I know that many of your allies being defeated and destroyed by ISIS and Israel is fucking bad and such a crisis that you must intervene. I know that genocide is nearly being completed, in open sight. I know that the imperialists will never back down without being defeated in the field. I know the recent Iranian government turned much more pacifist and reactive after the elections of the neoliberal leader obsessed with making deals with the west. These are things that are not in dispute, criticism is warranted and guess what - if you go onto Iranian social media right now the people of Iran are going ballistic criticizing their government for being fucking cowards and clowns.

[–] Parzivus@hexbear.net 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Oh well if social media says so lol

Criticism for not supporting Hamas/Hezbollah enough is legitimate. Getting angry that they aren't supporting Assad, who has done essentially nothing for the resistance, is not.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Syria is a corridor for Iranian support to Hezbollah.

This offensive is happening now because the US wants to sever the axis of resistance.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 7 points 2 weeks ago

These idiots don't get it. It's all a moral purity test

[–] Parzivus@hexbear.net 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

As others have said, the rebels are unlikely to be able to stop the flow of arms, nor is that the only route for arms to flow, nor are Hamas and Hezbollah solely reliant on Iran.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Ansar Allah is clearly able to function despite not having a land connection to Iran, so it's certainly not hopeless.

But this is bad.

[–] Parzivus@hexbear.net 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I mean, I never said it was good. It's just that all the doomerism on Hexbear about this being the end of the axis of resistance is frustrating.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago

Well I'm certainly worried. Aren't you?

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

It's just social media that fascist jihadists have taken Aleppo, Homs, Hama and the outskirts of Damascus?

Did I say anything incorrect?

[–] Parzivus@hexbear.net 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Why are you pretending I support the rebels? You're just making up shit at this point.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Parzivus@hexbear.net 2 points 2 weeks ago

You're all over this thread calling me an idiot, saying I'm purity testing, saying I'm shitting on Syrian people, now you're saying I'm out of touch with reality. Please take your debatebro shit back to Reddit and stop inventing stuff about me

[–] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 21 points 2 weeks ago

Well this is depressing...

[–] SaniFlush@hexbear.net 8 points 2 weeks ago

What would stop this? Don't say "nothing", and don't say "this country would do it but they won't because X".