honest question: have you ever tried to fresh install windows on a pc or laptop that didn't have an OS (or a previous windows) installed? I found it way more unintuitive than for example kubuntu installer in the past years.

[–] prototype_g2@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

have you ever tried to fresh install windows on a pc or laptop that didn’t have an OS

Thing is, most non-Linux users didn't install their OS: It came with the machine.

Unfortunately, most have never installed an OS and so have no frame of reference of how difficult it should be. The majority just turn on the machine and the OS is already there, so for them, anything more complicated than that is already harder than what they expect.

Also, hardware compatibility. There is no easy way to know how compatible a given machine is. If the common user installs Linux and runs into compatibility problems immediately, then that will make them think Windows is better, because it doesn't have those issues.

For Linux to reach mass adoption it needs to come pre-installed on machines or else it's just too much to ask from the masses. Also, never underestimate tech illiteracy.

It is true that Windows is harder to install than Linux, but most don't install Windows: It came with the machine.

[–] pixelscript@lemm.ee 5 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I haven't. I suppose that's a large chunk of where the advantage comes from, isn't it? New computers are expected to just come with the OS on them already. The entire process of installing an OS no matter whose you use is a completely alien concept to most people, and anyone who thinks it's "not that hard for the average person" is daft.

Are OEM Linux installs even a thing? For like, ""real"" hardware, from ""real"" (read: mainstream enough to buy on a shelf at Best Buy) manufacturers? Those are what we need to be steering people to, IMO, if we ever want Linux to be competitive with Windows and macOS for an average person.

[–] swab148@lemm.ee 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

System76 sells OEM Linux computers, but they don't sell them in Best Buy, to my knowledge.

[–] pixelscript@lemm.ee 2 points 3 days ago

It's a start!

I hope I'm not moving the goalposts too far here, but I do want to stress that if at any point in this process a consumer has to go out of their way to get the Linux experience, it will never compete. Every lowering of the barrier is progress, but there is a critical mass point we clearly haven't reached yet.

[–] macroplastic@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago

You can get most Dell laptops shipped with Ubuntu, but I don't think that's available at a brick and mortar retailer.