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Why do you allow misinformation communities like endlesswar? (quokk.au)

submitted 20 hours ago by Deceptichum@quokk.au to c/lemmy_ca_support@lemmy.ca

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Seems to be purely to post misinformation with repeated claims that Russia is innocent and the US caused the Ukraine situation, that they're stopping Ukraine from agreeing to Russia's super amazing peacedeals, etc.

This is the sort of garbage one would expect to find on ML or Hex, is CA intended to be the same low quality instance?

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[–] Rottcodd@lemmy.world 16 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (2 children)

While I agree with your assessment, I'd note that pretty much everyone at this point declares that whatever views they disagree with are "misinformation," so proactively banning things solely because someone has declared that they're "misinformation" isn't a sound strategy.

And again, I agree with that assessment in this case. But that's really beside the point.

[–] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 9 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (2 children)

There a huge difference between what one thinks is misinformation, and what is proven to be misinformation though. It shouldn’t be hard for admins to suss the difference.

[–] Rottcodd@lemmy.world 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

There a huge difference between what one thinks is misinformation, and what is proven to be misinformation though.

Epistemologically, yes. But for all practical purposes, at this point in time, there really isn't, since anyone can find sources that purportedly "prove" that whatever they want to believe is true and/or that whatever they don't want to believe is "misinformation." It makes absolutely no difference what the claim in question is - somebody somewhere online has "proven" that it's true, and somebody else somewhere online has "proven" that it's not.

So what that means is that to avoid the trap of endlessly dueling contradictory claims, somebody is going to have to simply decree what is or is not to be considered to be true - which sources and purported proofs are legitimate and which are not - and that's where it inevitably goes wrong.

And in fact, to go all the way back to the start of this thread, that's exactly how hexbear and ml work. They maintain their bubbles by essentially arbitrarily decreeing that [this] is true and [that] is misinformation. And if you press them on it, they're more than willing to post links to the "proof."

[–] howrar@lemmy.ca 2 points 17 hours ago

How can any of this actually be proven to be misinformation? We're here on our couches reading second/third/nth hand information. None of us were in the rooms where these decisions were made. None of us are on the front lines. The best we can do is make an educated guess on who is a credible source, and that's especially difficult when everyone involved has an interest in lying about the situation when things don't go their way.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I am with you...

OP, if you see misinformation correct the record so that everyone else can see there is a dispute and they can make up their own mind.

Hard Suppression of opinions is not good IMHO

Let idiots speak and let their idea be challenged.

Tankies and political subs expose their bias via the modlog and that's the point.

Chanllange them and let them use that hammer so everyone can see their idiotic positions what they are

[–] running_ragged@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago

Hard Suppression of opinions is not good IMHO

Tankies and political subs expose their bias via the modlog and that’s the point.

If the modlog is that questionable, they should be given a fair chance to provide receipts for their censorship of users trying to correct the record, and if they can't do that fairly, it should be on the admins to remove a community that is both spreading misinformation and censoring verifiable corrections.

I feel it shouldn't be only up to the users filtering / monitoring modlogs of all the communities.