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Declarations of the imminent doom of Ukraine are a news megathread specialty, and this is not what I am doing here - mostly because I'm convinced that whenever we do so, the war extends another three months to spite us. Ukraine has been in an essentially apocalyptic crisis for over a year now after the failure of the 2023 counteroffensive, unable to make any substantial progress and resigned to merely being a persistent nuisance (and arms market!) as NATO fights to the last Ukrainian. In this context, predicting a terminal point is difficult, as things seem to always be going so badly that it's hard to understand how and why they fight on. In every way, Ukraine is a truly shattered country, barely held together by the sheer combined force of Western hegemony. And that hegemony is weakening.

I therefore won't be giving any predictions of a timeframe for a Ukrainian defeat, but the coming presidency of Trump is a big question mark for the conflict. Trump has talked about how he wishes for the war to end and for a deal to be made with Putin, but Trump also tends to change his mind on an issue at least three or four times before actually making a decision, simply adopting the position of who talked to him last. And, of course, his ability to end the war might be curtailed by a military-industrial complex (and various intelligence agencies) that want to keep the money flowing.

The alignment of the US election with the accelerating rate of Russian gains is pretty interesting, with talk of both escalation and de-escalation coinciding - the former from Biden, and the latter from Trump. Russia very recently performed perhaps the single largest aerial attack of Ukraine of the entire war, striking targets across the whole country with missiles and drones from various platforms. In response, the US is talking about allowing Ukraine to hit long-range targets in Russia (but the strategic value of this, at this point, seems pretty minimal).

Additionally, Russia has made genuine progress in terms of land acquisition. We aren't talking about endless and meaningless battles over empty fields anymore. Some of the big Ukrainian strongholds that we've been spending the last couple years speculating over - Chasiv Yar, Kupiansk, Orikhiv - are now being approached and entered by Russian forces. The map is actually changing now, though it's hard to tell as Ukraine is so goddamn big.

Attrition has finally paid off for Russia. An entire generation of Ukrainians has been fed into the meat grinder. Recovery will take, at minimum, decades - more realistically, the country might be permanently ruined, until that global communist revolution comes around at least. And they could have just made a fucking deal a month into the war.


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[–] WilsonWilson@hexbear.net 53 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Do we have anymore info on the Oreshnik missile? I counted about 18 distinct hits by counting the flashes on the ground which is a lot more than wikipedia mentions for MIRVs. I'm seeing a few people speculate that the missiles might have been empty and relied on the kinetic energy for damage. Out of curiosity I tried to calculate what that would be but gave up since there were too many unknowns involved. I hate to give up on a calculation once I start so for some resolution I decided to calculate how much KE if you fired elon musk into the ground at mach 20. Wikipedia says non-relativistic KE is 1/2 m x (v)^2 and I assumed musk weighs 90kg so at mach 20 (6860m/s) and 90kg I converted to lb's of TNT. Using elon musk as a hypersonic missile would be = 1102.31 lb's of TNT.

[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 40 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Six seperate Re-entry events, with 6 submunitions per event is what I estimated. So 6 MIRVs, and each MIRV has six submunitions each. We know that Oreshnik is likely an evolution of the RS-26 ICBM/IRBM, and that Oreshnik uses parts from the R-30 Bulava SLBM.

I did a comment on it earlier.

https://hexbear.net/comment/5660045

For anyone wondering why you would use parts from an SLBM (Submarine Launched Ballistic Missile) for a ground launched IRBM or MRBM, I have thought of two possible reasons. The first being that SLBMs make use of astro-inertial guidance, which corrects inertial guidance errors with celestial navigation, using the position of the stars to fine tune the inertial guidance system after launch. Stars are a fixed reference point in the sky/space, which can then be used to calculate the position of the missile. This gives you a highly accurate, self correcting inertial navigation system that cannot be jammed. Second possible reason is that SLBMs make use of a MIRV bus, also called a post boost vehicle, that's more suited to operating at shorter ranges and more lofted trajectories compared to that same component on ICBMs.

[–] WilsonWilson@hexbear.net 27 points 4 days ago (2 children)

36 warheads is terrifying. Some pics are starting to show up and the individual damage doesn't seem that bad. If each one was a thermo nuke Dnipro would be wiped off the map.

[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 27 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Individual damage isn't that bad because it seems to be six main warheads, that then split up into 6 sub-warheads/submunitions each. So the submunitions are quite small. If it were a nuclear payload, it would only be 6 nuclear armed warheads, not 36. Still incredibly devastating to be hit by six nukes.

Though 36 submunitions, and six submunitions per target, from one missile is quite a payload. Just firing 6 missiles for example, allows you to hit 36 targets, and each target is hit with 6 submunitions, for a total of 216 submunition hits. That's quite cost effective if you think about it.

[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 7 points 4 days ago

Very percise kenetic damage.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 30 points 4 days ago

There were 36 hits, 6 waves of 6

[–] UmbraVivi@hexbear.net 11 points 4 days ago

Finally I can calculate what would happen if you tied me to a missile and fired it at Tel Aviv