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Jeremy failson more like. Dickhead buys a farm to dodge taxes, then gets pissy when the tax dode loophole gets a teeny tiny bit more ~~fiddlycult~~ ~~difficult~~ fiddlycult to loo.
Jere not my son more like. jemorony clackson more like

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[–] Bureaucrat@hexbear.net 38 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Is there any (western) country where farmers don't suck?

[–] Tommasi@hexbear.net 35 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Every few years, western farmers gather in a lab somewhere to attempt to create the most cringe protest scientifically possible.

[–] Bureaucrat@hexbear.net 28 points 4 days ago

Somehow the cops never kill them

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 28 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I don't think so. I gather there are three kinds of farmers in the us

  • massive aggrobusinesses

  • petit boug who own enough land to turn a profit and have enough revenue to hire significant amounts of labor.

  • poor farmers who have capital but are at best servicing their debts and cannot afford to either improve their profitabilty or sell their effectively worthless capital and get out.

I think that pattern holds in much of the west and probably outside the west, with the poor farmers constantly getting fucked by the machinations of empire while the agribusinesses reap most of the benefits and the petit boug landholders cost by on a combination of profits and subsidies.

[–] Bureaucrat@hexbear.net 20 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I don't know if the "poor farmer" really exists on anything beyond an anecdotal level. Most often they can break even if they sell their land and machines, at least as far as I've been able to find. Not saying there are NO situations where that isn't the case, but that those situations are like the "my uncle smoked cigars his whole life and never got sick" amount of times it's actually the case. In large parts of the west you can even draw direct lineage back to old nobility for almost all farmers (who aren't just a big corporation)

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I know a small number of people who are small scale farmers caught in debt traps. Met most of them at work, as they had to hold regular jobs to stay remotely solvent. But, you're right, it's a small number of people.

[–] Bureaucrat@hexbear.net 6 points 4 days ago

And that sounds like you're moreso describing somebody who is trying to break into the agricultural industry, rather than someone who is a farmer. This is just me being a pedantic word-fucker though

[–] Parzivus@hexbear.net 4 points 4 days ago

They definitely exist. Used to do water sampling in Arkansas, they are entirely reliant on various government subsidies and tax exemptions. I never felt particularly bad for them given their almost total disregard for the environment, but they weren't usually exploiting people outside their own families.

[–] bbnh69420@hexbear.net 25 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Farm(own)ers and farm workers are two different positions. The former will always suck

[–] Bobson_Dugnutt@hexbear.net 15 points 4 days ago

Kulaks and landless peasants

[–] Bureaucrat@hexbear.net 14 points 4 days ago

Yeah farmers suck, farmhands are cool