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[–] SulaymanF@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Almost everyone in north Gaza will be dead by new years. That happened entirely under Biden. Do you think Trump will kill them a second time?

We all know Trump is objectively worse but your argument is terrible; it’s like the Americans saying we should overlook Bush’s atrocities like Abu Ghraib because Saddam Hussein was worse. No, that’s just a fallacy.

[–] enbyecho@lemmy.world -2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Your premise is based on this: "Almost everyone in north Gaza will be dead by new years. "

Which is clearly and obviously false. Check back with me on Jan 1.

"Do you think Trump will kill them a second time?"

The Trump administration will enable the complete erasure of the Palestinian people and their land. Huckabee has said as much already. Israelis have said as much too. I believe them.

Finally, do you think nothing else matters? Do you think the consequences of a Trump administration beyond Palestine don't matter? If so, I'd encourage you to spend less time virtue signaling and more time checking your privilege.

[–] SulaymanF@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

The UN has said it explicitly. Famine has taken place and aid is not allowed in. Biden withdrew his ultimatum and the Generals Plan is being implemented. But are you happy if only 70% of North Gazans died then man you sure showed me up.

It’s no question Trump is worse for West Bank and Palestinian aspirations, because he’s only accelerating the same policy that Biden agreed to. In terms of Gaza there really is no difference; the four years of Biden was worse for their lives than 4 years of Trump. But you’re being offensive by saying I need to ignore the Palestinian people whose funerals I attended because Trump is going to do the same thing in a nastier way. You dismissing my community’s real pain as virtue signaling just shows how out of touch you are and why Harris lost. Listen for a change.

[–] enbyecho@lemmy.world -5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

If you want me to listen you should probably say something beyond vague platitudes and "your argument is terrible".

What astounds me is that you expect me to be completely consumed with what's important to you while you are completely dismissive of what's important to me. As if somehow the ONLY issue that mattered in this election was the Palestinian people. As if every horrible horrible thing that is going to happen under Trump to American people has to take back seat to YOUR cause. That's the definition of virtue signaling and it's incredibly offensive to me.

Feel free to have the last word but I won't engage with you further.

[–] SulaymanF@lemmy.world 0 points 5 days ago

Baloney, you never once suggested what’s important to you and dismissed my real pain and advocacy for my community as “virtue signaling” and then are mad that I say your argument IS terrible. You think you laid out a constructive argument? There’s nothing you’ve actually argued for except insults. Please learn how to discuss topics in a civil manner and come back to us in a few years.