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UniversalMonk ban evasion (slrpnk.net)

submitted 5 days ago by auk@slrpnk.net to c/support@lemm.ee

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UniversalMonk has been evading the a ban on him by posting from new accounts on !pleasantpolitics@slrpnk.net. That's ban evasion, which on most instances leads to an account-level ban, as far as I know. The relevant account is UniversalMonk@lemm.ee.

I'm not sure how to notify admins on lemm.ee, so I'm posting here. If ban evasion justifies an account ban on lemm.ee, then it's time. If there's a better place to send this note, let me know, and I'll do that instead.

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[–] UniversalMonk@slrpnk.net -1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (13 children)

Ok, guys, now I get what happened. Even tho you all think I'm trolling, it's really because I'm an idiot.

So I THINK I have worked it out. Someone DM'd me the theory.

So auk's robot banned me from his community before I ever posted there under my slrpnk account, based on a downvote count that I had on another instance.

So since I never knew I was banned in his community (because the bot doesn't notify), I mistakenly posted there, and auk recognized the user name, thought I was ban evading.

So now I get it. But, auk, your bot doesn't notify people they were banned.

If people don't know they're banned (especially if they've never posted there), and then post there, I don't think it's fair to represent that as ban evasion.

But at least now I understand. I'm happy not to post there. It's all good.

Guys, I'm not a troll just because I'm still learning all the Lemmy stuff.

[–] auk@slrpnk.net 2 points 5 days ago (8 children)

As I said under the other post, I do believe this evasion was entirely unintentional, for the reasons you outlined. The part that was intentional was trolling in lemmy.world politics and some other communities until your whole user got banned, and then making new accounts and going looking for other politics communities to start up exactly the same antics in, explicitly affirming your plan to continue the same pattern of behavior. And, in the course of doing that, you managed to break some rules, set up to protect against that kind of behavior.

I'm not planning to set the bot up to notify dozens of users about their bans in a community they have never posted in and don't care about. Mostly it doesn't come up, because you have to be pretty obnoxious for the bot to ban you. Almost no one even close to that boundary even posts there, because almost everyone understands how to interact with other users without collecting hundreds or thousands of downvotes.

I get that you didn't get a notification, and so probably didn't know you were banned. You did know you were being obnoxious previously, and refused to stop doing it until it escalated to an account ban, and then made some new accounts and started looking for new places to do it.

I think admins and mods those new places can make the decision about whether that is ban evasion, or whether they want to let you do this all again until you inevitably get banned again sometime later. People have talked with you about why what you're doing is a problem. Why they would pick that second option is something of a mystery to me, but I'll leave it up to them. I'm just relaying the information.

It would be a different story if you were just misunderstanding something, and completely open to a conversation about why you keep getting banned and what you can do differently, but you're clearly more interested in figuring out the details of the rules so you can find ways around them and keep doing your same thing.

[+] UniversalMonk@slrpnk.net -6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I’m not planning to set the bot up to notify dozens of users about their bans in a community they have never posted in and don’t care about.

Right. As you admit, I didn't know I was banned. Yet you called for me to be banned from this and other instances for ban evasion. Seems unjust to me.

As I said under the other post, I do believe this evasion was entirely unintentional,

Ok, sorry, I didn't catch that you were the one that said that in the flurry of responses.

You did know you were being obnoxious previously, and refused to stop doing it until it escalated to an account ban

And for the record, I do realize that you and most people thought I was trolling in .world. But I wasn't trolling. And I don't think I should even be considered a troll. A troll is based on intent, not dislike. I had no intention to get negative reactions. But people hated me anyway. And that's totally their right.

I stand by everything I said and done there. And I accept my ban there, because I don't run the instance. Their instance, their rules.

But in my definition of Trolling, it's posting stuff JUST to get a negative response. I posted stuff IN SPITE of getting a negative response, not with the purpose to get one. I am fine with my role of being a dissenting voice.

The majority of my responses that were called "trolling" were just me responding to people. I never name-called, or was unpolite. THAT actually caused people to name-call me and call me a troll. I stand by everything I said there.

People were mad because I wasn't voting for Harris and that I was voting for third party. And they thought that I was trying to sway the election.

But as we can now see, Harris lost by such a large margin, that even all if everyone who voted for third party would have thrown their support to Harris, she still would have lost.

So my posting my support for third parties didn't change the election at all.

Here is the link to my comments and posts from .world and that community that led to my banning and bad rep: https://lemmy.world/modlog/1252?page=1&userId=9454261

People were mad because I didn't vote for Harris. But I didn't vote for Trump either. And I think it's silly to think that people were so mad about that, especially after we have now seen how the election played out.

but you’re clearly more interested in figuring out the details of the rules so you can find ways around them and keep doing your same thing.

Again, that's your assumption of my intent, but that doesn't make it a reality of my intent. I have no desire to find ways around anything.

I honestly didn't understand your anger or the ban. And I didn't realize it was just based on a bot seeing that I had downvotes. I thought bans were based on something posted.

And as we have discussed, I didn't even realize I was banned. Now you've explained it. Now I understand. And I have no desire to post in your community now.

You didn't have to come at me so hard, man. So I was just confused and it set off a flurry of responses.

Please feel free to DM anytime in the future if you have an issue with me or would like to discuss things further.

As of now, I consider the matter resolved and I appreciate your explanations.

But it really seems that you are mostly upset about what happened in the past on a totally different instance. And I was already banned from that instance, so that matter has been resolved as well.

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