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The US has been in the lead with higher tariff barriers and controls on high-tech exports, initiated under the Trump presidency and markedly intensified by Biden.

It is now being joined by the European Union, which this week imposed an additional tariff of 35 percent on Chinese electric vehicles on top of a 10 percent tariff already in force.

The new measures, which will come into force next week, are to last five years. They were introduced on the basis that Chinese EV makers were benefiting unfairly from state subsidies.

The Chinese government rejected the claim of undue state support, saying it would “continue to take all necessary measures to resolutely safeguard the legitimate rights and interests of all Chinese companies.”

The decision to impose the tariffs came after eight rounds of talks aimed at trying to devise a mechanism through which a minimum price could be set along with the volume of Chinese exports. But the talks broke down with both sides saying the differences remained significant.

Further talks are to be held, with the EU accepting an invitation by China to send envoys to Beijing to see if some agreement can be reached on these mechanisms.

The divisions within the EU, which must rank as some of the most significant on trade issues in the history of the Union, were underscored by comments from Germany. Hildegarde Müller, the head of the German auto industry association, VDA, said the decision was “a setback for free global trade and so for prosperity and Europe’s growth.”

The chief executive of BMW Oliver Zipse said protectionism would only make cars more expensive for consumers and accelerate plant closures in Europe.

The interconnectedness of the global car industry was indicated by Roberto Vavassori, who told the Financial Times (FT) that “for many suppliers in the automotive industry, [the Chinese] are both the biggest threat and the biggest customer.”

He asked: “What did the Chinese do, what did the Japanese do and what did the Koreans do when they were behind on technology? They collaborated. The European industry needs to get the Chinese to localise in Europe and it needs to collaborate with them, particularly around battery technology in order to catch up.”

For workers in the auto industry, in Europe and internationally, neither path is the way forward in a situation where they face a wave of job destruction and wage cutting.

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[–] dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I don’t really know much about this, but this feels wrong.

Why punish consumers, we should be striving to make European cars cheaper not make Chinese ones more expensive.

I’m sure there are many European countries where the government funds progression in other industries.

We also let American companies take control of industries.

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Should we? We can't compete with Chinese labor laws and under paying workers

[–] buzz86us@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The Chinese auto worker is paid more than a Mexican one. Difference is the Chinese companies aren't afraid of automation, and it has given them a financial cushion to develop better cars.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The average Chinese worker makes about $2.80 US/hour. What's the Mexican pay rate?

Also, yes, total bullshit that Mexico is exempt from import tariffs and all our US manufacturers have been moving vehicle production down there.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago

the calculations that go into figuring out mexican payrates are questionable at best and they're tantamount to cooking the books.

nevertheless; near shoring isn't going to work. the mexican government is being strong armed by the american administration to grey rock near shoring as much as possible and i would expect verbiage to continue those grey rocking efforts to show up in the next usmca agreement in the near future.

it'll be yet another cash grab that serves a few hundred already rich people at the expense of the mexican workers; rural america; the environment; and our future political stability and it will cheered on by the people who claim to want to protect all of those things.

[–] TheYang@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Well seems like all car companies are somewhat subsidized/supported. I don't know how difficult to detangle the presumably many different levels of that are, especially internationally.
But if the EU were to subsidize "just" 500$ per car sold, and China 50.000$ per car, it would be impossible for european car makers to compete on an otherwise equal field.

Now I have no Idea how supported which markets are, and I'd presume I grossly exaggerated the difference, and it may well be the other way around. I have not found detailed analysis of this though.

[–] Aria@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 month ago

They don't subsidise the export cars at all. They subsidise R&D and domestic sales (which in turn gives them more money for R&D as well). They also give low interest loans for setting up new factories that produce green products.

The EU should just do the same.