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Media Bias / Fact Check bot declares itself as unreliable (lemmy.world)

submitted 3 weeks ago by egrets@lemmy.world to c/bestoflemmy@lemmy.world

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[–] dumbass@leminal.space 33 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

What does it say? I blocked that stupid bot ages ago.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 53 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

They added a line to the bot that includes Wikipedia’s stance on a source. And Wikipedia doesn’t consider MBFC to be reliable, so the bot reports that.

If you scroll below that, MBFC rates themselves as maximally reliable, which I’m sure is based off of a rigorous and completely neutral assessment.

Edit: although, reading the links in question they don’t seem to correspond to what the bot is saying. Perhaps this is some sort of mistake in how it was coded.

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It's not a mistake, just confusing UX. The text in question comes from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MBFC

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

It doesn’t though. Or at least, I didn’t see anything resembling that on that page. If you can find it, let me know. It’s possible I missed it.

[–] taipan@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The text comes from this table.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 8 points 3 weeks ago

Thanks, it seems to me like it should link here rather than to the main article.

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 4 points 3 weeks ago

sorry, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:MBFC. that's what i get for attempting type a link out on mobile

[–] egrets@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

The post links both The Guardian and MBFC. The bot has picked up both links and posted the following (verbatim):

Media Bias/Fact Check - News Source Context (Click to view Full Report)

Information for Media Bias/Fact Check:

Wiki: unreliable - There is consensus that Media Bias/Fact Check is generally unreliable, as it is self-published. Editors have questioned the methodology of the site's ratings.

MBFC: Least Biased - Credibility: High - Factual Reporting: Very High - United States of America

The Guardian - News Source Context (Click to view Full Report)

Information for The Guardian:

Wiki: reliable - There is consensus that The Guardian is generally reliable. The Guardian's op-eds should be handled with WP:RSOPINION. Some editors believe The Guardian is biased or opinionated for politics. See also: The Guardian blogs.
Wiki: mixed - Most editors say that The Guardian blogs should be treated as newspaper blogs or opinion pieces due to reduced editorial oversight. Check the bottom of the article for a "blogposts" tag to determine whether the page is a blog post or a non-blog article. See also: The Guardian.

MBFC: Left-Center - Credibility: Medium - Factual Reporting: Mixed - United Kingdom

Search topics on Ground.News

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/30/north-korea-troops-russia-kursk-ukraine-lloyd-austin
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-guardian/

Media Bias Fact Check | bot support

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 27 points 3 weeks ago

Interestingly enough, Wikipedia’s sourcing list counts Wikipedia as unreliable. It says you need to find information somewhere else so as not to create a self-referential loop. You have to justify it from a solid source that’s outside the system.

MBFC says that MBFC is incredibly reliable, and incidentally also tends to mark sources down if their biases don’t agree with MBFC’s existing biases, which are significant. It needs no outside sources, because it’s already reliable.

Good stuff.

[–] dumbass@leminal.space 6 points 3 weeks ago

Hahahah, so it's becoming self aware about how shit it is.