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[–] seasonone@opidea.xyz 218 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I hope **chrome **fails terribly. Just like Internet Explorer(IE). Firefox all the way

[–] Polydextrous@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Anyone still using Google products is a fuckin idiot, IMO

[–] kadu@lemmy.world 154 points 1 year ago (5 children)

There are hardly any alternatives for people who don't have the time to self-host and setup everything.

"Oh but Firefox!" the tools that Mozilla provides are indeed good - but there's no Mozilla Photos, Mozilla Notes, Mozilla Assistant, and so on.

"Oh but Microsoft!" and why would that be better than Google?

"Oh but mix Firefox with Proton and this specific GitHub project for photo management and this FOSS notes apps with a Docker backend for sync and thi-" I wish I had the time to do that, truly, I actually prefer many of the FOSS alternatives I've seen lately. I do not have the time nor hardware to do this correctly.

[–] thekerker@kbin.social 53 points 1 year ago

I wholeheartedly agree. I'm a technical person, I run Linux as my primary OS and use FOSS software. But I also have a full time job and 2 small kids, and frankly I just don't have the time or patience to be a full time sysadmin. Proton has come a long way in providing alternatives to Gmail, GCalendar, GDrive, etc., but like you said if you want to replace ALL of Google you practically have to self host a gazillion Nextcloud instances or whatever.

[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why does it have to be Mozilla everything? I want Mozilla to continue doing what it does best: build browsers and (maybe) mail clients.

Not everything has to be unified. I'd be quite content with Teehee Photos, Hoho Notes and Huehuehue Assistant as long as they're decent tools.

[–] seasonone@opidea.xyz 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I kinda agree with you. Before my exams I had lot of time. I used to self host nextcloud, email and invidious etc. But during exam had no time to manage instances or update my packages, one after than another they kept showing error and they went offline.

I stopped my VPS and started using Google Drive(it was already available on my android) to share my notes temporarily with friends, soon I kept using it. I hope protonmail becomes better so I can start using them instead of other products

[–] zatanas@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago

This is how they do it. They wedge themselves in via convenience with the hopes that we'll stay on their ecosystem eventually.

I hope you'll soon find the time to regain your independence from them. Best of luck.

[–] Noxvento@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What I don't like about Proton is that I can't combine Mail Plus and Pass Plus. I don't need a 500 GB Proton Drive or Proton VPN, but I like their Mail and Password Manager. Now I use Mail for free and Password Manager for €12/year. I would like to pay €3.99/month for the Mail offer, but for that I would have to upgrade to the much more extensive Proton Unlimited.

[–] saltdream@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

It’s a hard fight between all the time maintaining your own stuff takes and the utter resistance by other users who just won’t learn anything new or use any real security.

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[–] Cylusthevirus@kbin.social 49 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm sorry but this sentiment is so utterly detached from the technical capabilities and general engagement of the average layman that it bears a response.

Tech savvy people have this awful habit of calling anyone not in our specific field an idiot when they don't do things our preferred way, and it's not a good look. Those people aren't the weird ones, we are. And if you're the sort of person who thinks you've elevated yourself above the commoners because you don't use Google's stuff ... yeah, that and 5 bucks will get you a latte. There are oceans of professional expertise you're not privvy to, and unless you really think you're doing better than everyone at everything, a little humility, temperance, and grace for others is warranted.

[–] ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 year ago

I have to agree with this.

I’m basically “the idiot”. Decently tech savvy, but non-IT. Very capable of learning what I need to know, but I haven’t really had the time or mental capacity to learn how to do a lot of the things I need to to get away from corporate overlords.

I’m working on it, and have been for a while, but in the meantime I do use several google services, because that’s what I’ve been using for many many years and change is really hard. Especially when you have to initiate the change yourself, and especially when you know if you switch to a stop-gap solution you’ll loose all impetus to actually keep making the change (which I will).

The biggest challenge is learning what is worth it to self-host, what hard/software to use for the configuration I want, what’s compatible with devices I own (windows, Linux, iOS and android), etc. I’ve been running Plex for like 10 years now (windows then Linux), but it’s a very basic setup on a host pc I don’t use for much else. Beyond that, I need to learn almost everything from the bottom up, and that’s a lot to learn -just- to avoid an existing company and their existing products that I’ve been using for years. Unlike my Plex content, I would actually care if I lost my other self-host data, so not something to fuck around half-ass with.

I can’t blame people for not wanting to/knowing how to do it. I like learning this shit (because of the end result, not because I have interest in it, sorry not sorry) and I still don’t actually want to do it.

[–] Ignacio@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

OK, then let's check my idiocy.

  • Web-browser? I'm using Firefox since the beginning of this year.

  • Email? I've an account on ProtonMail for serious stuff, and Gmail for garbage, less serious stuff and spam collector.

  • Cloud storage? Well, unless anyone can gift me a Raspberry Pi, a hub and an ELI5 Nextcloud manual for dummies, I have to keep using Google Drive.

  • Videos? That depends. I'm watching videos on Youtube, but I'm uploading my own content on Peertube.

  • Phone? I need another ELI5 custom rom manual for dummies, and it has to be specific for my device. Otherwise, I'll keep using Android, but with most minimum usage of Google apps.

I think that's all.

[–] AdventureSpoon@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

Can't fix everything, but Google drive is easily replaced by proton drive. Google notes/keep or any kind of note taking is easily replaced (and improved) by Obsidian, and on android you can install f-droid as an alternative store.

Downside is that these thinks cost money. But everything has a cost, and at least here the cost is clear, and upfront.

[–] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I agree, as I reply on my pixel6 pro

[–] TerminusEst@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

So basically every software/front-end web dev? Lol ok.

[–] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

So you don't have an android phone I suppose?

[–] whileloop@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago
[–] TerminusEst@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

I just wish Firefox would improve their UI and add a few features without needing to rely on extensions (tab groups, vertical tabs, sharing tabs from mobile to desktop, etc.).

[–] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 145 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Are we seriously sitting here, in the shadow of the open internet's apocalypse, complaining yet again about Firefox's UI?

It's like Superman trying to rescue you from a fire and you complaining about his breath.

There's no UI in the world that will make the internet bareable without functional ad blockers.

[–] Giooschi@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hey, I switched to Firefox because I liked its UI better (after Quantum though)

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I switched back from years with Chrome then new Chromium Edge, haven't noticed an issue. But everything I do is Ctrl+W, middle-click, and typing into search fields. If I'm using a browser's UI, it's for the menu or a bookmark folder.

I can't really fathom what a browser UI is used for beside this and the less there is of one on-screen, the better.

[–] Engywuck@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I left it because their "new" UI, but that was just thelast straw (after 20 years) Won't go back.

[–] TerminusEst@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yes. Because the UI and UX of a tool that you use everyday matters. The average user will hold ease of use over privacy 9 times out of 10. In my case though I wasn’t able to use FF for a while due to the lack of debugger support for a project I was working on. Now it comes down to me having to work on multiple projects at once so tab groups and organization are key. Now don’t get me wrong, once Chrome totally kills adblockers I’ll drop Chromium browsers like a bad habit, but the point still stands though, FF could use some UI improvements.

[–] dudewitbow@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Id argue on mobile for instance, firefox is easier to use. One of the LARGEST differences between chrome and firefox from a UI standpoint is bottom search/site box over top one, especially for larger phones.

This of course doesnt consider anything related to addons yet.

[–] golamas1999@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Or Mr. Incredible being sued for saving a guy commuting suicide..

[–] jsveiga@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Well, super bad breath is not your ordinary bad breath. It would possibly melt your lungs faster than the fire. Bacteria that can thrive in superman's body is not to be messed with.

[–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I'm glad to see that even when we're about to get robbed, there'll still be humor about it. Grim, but I like it.

[–] liquidparasyte@pawb.social 2 points 1 year ago

I literally swore off Firefox for half a decade because they removed and broke Panorama with their engine rewrite, so yes.

[–] LetMeEatCake@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I can send a tab from my mobile Firefox to my desktop Firefox by default, so that's at least one of those that doesn't need an extension.

[–] TerminusEst@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah I thought it had that feature already but I wasn’t seeing it. I’ll have to look again.

[–] LetMeEatCake@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

On mobile: Hit the three line menu button -> "Send link to device"
On desktop: Right click on a tab -> "Send tab to device"

Kind of odd that they're not the same language, actually. For what it's worth I'm on iOS so it might be different for FF on Android.

[–] shadow@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago

You can also send either direction via the share menu, so long as you have your Firefox account signed in to them.

[–] DM_ME_SQUIRRELS@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is it possible to use it without syncing all browser tabs? I tried to read about it on their website since I want to know exactly what they collect and how they store it but couldn't find anuthing other than instructions on how to set it up.

[–] LetMeEatCake@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I don't know anything about tab syncing, so I don't know. Sorry!

[–] Crismus@lemmynsfw.com 14 points 1 year ago

They do have the send tab to device feature. I send tabs to my son, who lives with his mom all the time.

As long as the devices are connected to the overall Mozilla account. Same between my phone Firefox and PC.

I don't have too many tabs that I would group together, but I can see how nice of a feature that would be.

I've used Firefox from the beginning and never trusted Google and Chrome. It has gotten better, but at a slower route.

[–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Firefox already natively supports most of the features you listed.

[–] TerminusEst@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Which ones? Besides sending a tab from mobile to desktop it doesn’t have tab groups or vertical tabs. Those features rely on extensions and/or custom css.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Hey you have genuine wants and needs from a web browser and I respect that.

I'll say though that this sort of attitude (well Chrome has this little thing I like so I allow them to take control of what was once the independent internet) is what is going to screw us.

[–] TerminusEst@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I use FF. But I also use Chromium based browsers out of necessity. I understand where you’re coming from but what’s also going to screw us is Mozilla not keeping up with the latest features which is something they’ve struggled with. At the end of the day they have to give people a reason to switch and use FF as their main browser. Simply saying “better privacy features” isn’t enough for the average user.

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[–] unconsciousvoidling@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Mozilla I think gets millions from google. At least they did at one point in a deal to set google as a default engine.

[–] whileloop@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

They do. The majority of Mozilla's funding is from Google. That said, they're still our best hope. I'm sure Firefox has constant internal conversations about how to handle their relationship with Google, and they probably have standing offers from many others to switch to a different search engine.