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The problem with Eve is that you will have to join a big group to enjoy it, and if you join one up, you are increasingly going to feel the pressure to whale if you are a normal player who isn't min-maxing the system. The game is chock full of whales.
I'm a miner, my father was a miner, my mother's a miner, my father's father was a miner.
Yeah some pressure you sure but I just stayed with newbie guilds and turned to helping people instead.
Honestly some of the technically non combat classes are quite fun. It's been awhile since I've been on but I have more money than I could honestly figure out what to do with just from mining.
That said yeah even mining has spreadsheets, which is both neat and kinda daunting.
The people who are most successful don't just stick to one defined job, they min-max to the extreme. They can be taking down freighters with their multiboxed destroyers one day, and they can be multibox moon mining with orcas the following day.
I don't believe there is anything fun about mining. It's just an activity that when you believe you've sufficiently secured yourself enough you can do with relative minimal investment in it. Usually the people who mine the most aren't enjoying Eve, they are enjoying the conversations and the Netflix they are watching on the side. About the only thing tickling the dopamine with mining is getting to think you are getting ahead from doing a comparatively less stressful activity for longer than other people doing riskier activities more prone to failure and doing so for less amount of time, allowing you to fantasize about how you will spend your gains in the future. Mining barely has any user involvement as a game mechanic in Eve, there are idle games with more user interaction.
Ok that's a very good argument as to why you hate mining. It's not however a good excuse for anyone else to not like it.
Do what you please, don't be an elitist, it's one why people don't even try to play. Similarly you say there's no engagement but people presumably like you tend to heckle and try to murder miners because they "aren't playing the game" though most of the resources in the game are available solely because they'd been mined, no miners no resources.... You know like an economy.
You've suddenly brought up "hate mining" and "elitist" out of nowhere, when all I did was make observations about the activity. It is not inherently fun IMO. You also bring out "no engagement", which is another gross exaggeration of minimal engagement. And if you think the gankers aren't mining, you really haven't gotten out of your solar system to explore. You seem to be stuck within the bubble even within the game, and you will be socially manipulated for it.
I haven't played Eve in years, and have only "ganked" in a few minor instances and enough to realize that it also wasn't a fun mechanic, it was just exploiting the uninformed and the careless within the statistics, and it didn't so much require effort or skill so much as preparation. There's also quite a bit of a similarity between the dopamine hook the people who gank have to the people who mine, although there's a lot more sadism as well.
I think that is pretty self explanatory.
Not at all, that said the vast majority is done by contracted mining corps. If the mining corps shut down today within 3 months the game would be entirely different and mining would be a necessity for all but the ultra rich. Similarly aren't you in a socially manipulated bubble as well? You're spouting literal in-game billboard propaganda.
So gankers also aren't playing correctly to you, what exactly is the point of the game again according to you? Who's playing right enough for you?
Sure, bud, totally not the case of you misframing my comment as it.
You must have failed to read the part where I am not playing Eve anymore. The game is an addiction hook with a lot of (but not all) game mechanics that really aren't that good.
I quoted it in context, how did I misframe it? You quite literally framed it and hung it up yourself.
You must have failed to notice that you not being part of the game recently reduces the effect of your statements, it doesn't say all bolster them. Also neat, you could have saved us all the time and just said you didn't enjoy the game.
I can't be blamed for comprehension issues on your end. And why would I lie? There are aspect of it I did enjoy, and there are aspects I criticize.
I wouldn't start pointing fingers on that one box, you'll lose.
You've only offered criticism and gone on at length about how your opinion is correct however weird or dumb that might be.
I offered criticism because that's what I had with the activity you were promoting. Yes, it was my opinion. Did the words "I don’t believe" not tip you off? I then proceeded to explain why I had it, yes. Generally, comments people make are their own opinion.
Or in other words
I'm sure I would lose, arguments only work on the willing.
Anyway, this conversation has reached its end, byeee.
The activity of enjoying the game, cool great point.
It's not a good argument to not play, it's a good argument that you're one of those elitist douchebags I was warning people about. You're literally spouting elitist in game combat corp propaganda dude. Most of them are emulating Nazis or Warhammer cults you know that right, it's a running joke that people that buy it are rubes.