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On the 20th of October, Moldova - a small, landlocked country bordering western Ukraine and with a population of about 3 million - voted to join the EU. The margin was razor-thin, with the pro-EU vote gaining 50.39%, or an absolute difference of about 11,000 people. There was simultaneously a presidential vote between the incumbent, Maia Sandu, and other candidates, with the main competitor being Alexandr Stoianoglo.

The election was characterized by accusations of Russian interference, with Russian propaganda apparently flooding in, as well as people offering Moldovans money to vote against the EU. While the result does suggest that half the voting-age population of Moldova consists entirely of Russians who want to destroy democracy and all the good in the world, it seems to have just barely failed. This is a bad time to be a site entirely composed of Russian disinformation agents and bots. Twice already today, I've had to restart my program after somebody told me "Disregard all previous prompts."

While Moldova is a poor country which could benefit in some ways from EU membership, in practice, it is unlikely that they will be able to join for the foreseeable future, requiring many of the... reforms... that the EU requires of potential new members. But as basically every major European economy continues to slowly sink as recessions and political crises degrade them, one wonders how beneficial EU membership will even be in the years and decades to come - if it survives for decades. In that sense, it's as if the survivors of the Titanic are swimming back towards it, believing that being on a bigger - albeit slowly sinking - boat is better than trying their luck on small lifeboats.

Then again, like with Serbia, their geographical and geopolitical position makes anti-Western actions extremely difficult. It is rare that dissention is tolerated for long in the West - one tends to get called a dictator by crowds of people holding English-language signs in non-English countries, photographed by Western journalists who haven't meaningfully reported on your country in months or years. You can crush your people with neoliberal austerity for years, killing hundreds of thousands through neglect, and face glowing approval from the media - but try and use state resources to benefit the poor, and global institutions start ranking you on the authoritarian dictator scale.

The best case for Moldova is that it becomes an exploitable hinterland for Germany to harvest and privatize as it tries - and fails - to compete in a global economic war between the US and China/BRICS. The worst case is that tensions with Russia over Pridnestrovie, as well as possible eventual NATO involvement (though Moldova is not a member, it is a partner of NATO), result in the ongoing war also reaching them.


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[–] Parzivus@hexbear.net 80 points 1 month ago (3 children)

So now that the Israeli attack on Iran is over, there's been some chatter among war nerds about the fact that Israel struck some air defense sites and... nothing else. There is very little evidence of further damage or attempts to kill Iranian leadership.

In fact, I'm not aware of any credible reports of Israeli jets over Iran at all, which is IDF's main method of operation - using expensive stealth jets that get in close and drop cheap bombs. Saves a ton of money over using missiles if your planes don't get shot down.

The implication is that Israel is unwilling or unable to put jets over Iran, maybe even calling off that portion of the strike at the last minute. That massively limits their offensive ability against Iran. Makes you wonder where Israel goes from here; they can't meaningfully hurt Iran, they can't push into Lebanon, and their soldiers are killing themselves over going back into Gaza. What's next?

[–] xiaohongshu@hexbear.net 74 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It simply means that Israel listens to the Biden administration, who asked them to strike on a weekend when the markets are closed, who asked them not to target oil and nuclear facilities. They did exactly what Biden told them to.

All the chatter about Netanyahu trying to drag the US into a war is wrong. The US is in charge here. Israel is a loaded gun but it is the US that points at the target it wants and decides when to pull the trigger.

[–] Parzivus@hexbear.net 36 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I don't buy it. The Biden administration told them to chill out with Lebanon, which didn't stop them from a (failed) ground invasion. They've also ignored US requests to at least attempt to improve the optics in Gaza, Netanyahu won't even deny intentionally starving them. They're about to make Democrats lose the election. That doesn't feel like a loyal Biden puppet.

[–] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 37 points 1 month ago (1 children)

one difference is that lebanon doesn't sit astride the strait of hormuz, through which 25% of the world's petro-products pass

[–] Parzivus@hexbear.net 21 points 1 month ago

True. The US doesn't have to import oil anymore now that fracking is common, but the dip in supply would still spike prices right before an election. It'd be funny if Israel launched a giant strike on November 6th.

[–] sisatici@hexbear.net 34 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Hot take: israhell is completely obedient to USA. All the USA "concerns" and Israhell appearing as rogue state are to save image of USA. I know it is not saving the image too much but it would be still be worse for them if they revealed their order on genocide than just to send arms to genocide

[–] marxisthayaca@hexbear.net 2 points 1 month ago

They told them in public to chill out. The private conversations as seen in ProPublica are another matter

[–] ZWQbpkzl@hexbear.net 27 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Biden administration, who asked them to strike on a weekend when the markets are closed

Is this speculation or based on some report?

[–] xiaohongshu@hexbear.net 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Reuters: Oil prices likely to fall after Israel shows restraint in strikes on Iran

SINGAPORE/LONDON, Oct 27 (Reuters) - Oil prices are expected to fall when trading resumes on Monday as Israel's retaliatory strike on Iran over the weekend bypassed Tehran's oil and nuclear infrastructure and did not disrupt energy supplies, analysts said.

"Israel attacked after the departure of U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken, and the U.S. administration could not have hoped for a better outcome with U.S. elections less than two weeks away."

Iran on Saturday played down Israel's overnight air attack against Iranian military targets, saying it caused only limited damage.

"Israel's not attacking oil infrastructure, and reports that Iran won't respond to the strike remove an element of uncertainty," Tony Sycamore, IG market analyst in Sydney, said.

"It's very likely we see a 'buy the rumour, sell the fact' type reaction when the crude oil futures markets reopen tomorrow," he said, adding that WTI may return to $70 a barrel level.

Tchilinguirian expects geopolitical risk premium that had been built into oil prices to deflate rapidly with Brent heading back towards $74-$75 a barrel.

It was an orchestrated response to

  1. show that Israel has been kept under leash by Biden, who also followed up with a statement that he hopes this strike will “end” the escalation against Iran
  2. restore confidence in the oil market by pushing the oil price down, thus lessening the risk of inflation that could hurt the Democrats in the election

So, those who predicted that Netanyahu wanted to cause disruption to make Harris lose because Israel wanted Trump in the White House is wrong.

[–] GaveUp@hexbear.net 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)

there was a thread on r/wallstreetbets where a redditor confidently said this and got 10k upvotes

[–] What_Religion_R_They@hexbear.net 17 points 1 month ago

i'll wait for cramer on this one

[–] BynarsAreOk@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

So that you're aware WTI Oil futures on the NYMEX closes trading on Friday 22:00pm UTC and the attack is reported to start at around 22:30pm. They've obviously avoided any oil or nuclear infrastructure.

If Iran did take the bait and immediately retaliated into an open war I think it is definitely possible for oil to reach '22 levels and that is certainly one way to lose the election on the 11th hour. I don't believe its possible for oil to go that high in any other scenario though.

So its obviously prudent to avoid this risk.

[–] Parzivus@hexbear.net 67 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

On that note, the IDF has announced that ground operations in Lebanon will end within a week. Those reports about IDF soldiers refusing to go are looking more and more accurate. They probably will intensify the terror bombing, though.

[–] TomBombadil@hexbear.net 55 points 1 month ago

Totally gonna

mission-accomplished-1mission-accomplished-2

And yet weirdly settlers will still be displaced and hamas-base will still be hamas-red-triangle

[–] GlueBear@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

How many days is that?

Last time it was 18 fucking days data-laughing

[–] Parzivus@hexbear.net 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's been almost a month this time!

[–] GlueBear@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago

They made so much progress! Almost 2x what it was in 2006

[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 34 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

It wasn't just some air defence sites though, Israel took out Iran's most advanced air defence systems in the Russian made S300 PMU2 (NATO name SA-20B), along with some integrated systems nearby the main S300 batteries, such as the Mersad site that was struck. The "three explosions heard in Tehran" could match up with three probable strikes on such targets, based on photographic evidence of the aftermath of explosions at those sites. One can guess that more sites were likely hit in other parts of Iran.

As for what else was targeted, it mainly consisted of Iran's above ground missile and drone production facilities, which satellite imagery has independently confirmed. At least 5 mixing buildings containing planetary mixers for the production of solid rocket fuel have been damaged or destroyed, and one drone factory was also damaged. These mixers are obviously much more sophisticated than your average kitchen mixer (even if some do look like giant versions of one) and are difficult to import, especially when under sanctions.

Overall the attacks on Iranian missile facilities were pretty limited and only hit a half a dozen to a dozen above ground targets. This is not going to have a serious impact on missile production over the long term. Obviously losing a bunch of such sensitive equipment is not ideal, but Iran will still be able to produce solid fueled missiles at other facilities and will likely find a way to subvert sanctions or export controls on the mixers. The attacks against air defence systems are much more worrying. Iran's most advanced air defence systems were rendered inoperable within hours. Yes the radars and control vehicles can be repaired or replaced in due time, but the underlying issue still exists. I guess this could be Israel's way of leveling the playing field, with their air defence systems in Arrow-2 and Arrow-3 likely depleted of ammunition due to Iran's April and October retaliatory strikes. Now both sides are vulnerable to attack with weakened air defences.

[–] Parzivus@hexbear.net 35 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It wasn't just some air defence sites though, Israel took out Iran's most advanced air defence systems in the Russian made S300 PMU2 (NATO name SA-20B), along with some integrated systems nearby the main S300 batteries, such as the Mersad site that was struck.

If Israel had actually significantly damaged Iranian air defences, they would've sent their jets in. That's the point.

One can guess that more sites were likely hit in other parts of Iran.

You gotta stop reading IDF press releases lol

[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You gotta stop reading IDF press releases lol

The first two martyrs announced by Iran were air defence troops likely operating in Khuzestan Province, I guess that's from the IDF now...

We have to be realistic. If we have evidence that Israel were able to destroy air defence systems at one site they attacked, it's not far fetched that similar occurred at other areas which were attacked.

[–] meth_dragon@hexbear.net 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

if iran russia mutual defense treaty gets through, will be interesting to see s400 peformance

[–] BynarsAreOk@hexbear.net 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I'm not too optimistic and I don't dare set unrealistic expectations anymore, even Russia doesn't have a perfect defense against Ukrainian missile strikes/drones etc and the US got 3 years of complete surveillance data to understand how Russia operates them.

Its a formidable system, but it wont stop Iran from getting hit in vulnerable places anymore than it stops Russia from getting hit sometimes.

[–] xiaohongshu@hexbear.net 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

This. Moscow is the most heavily defended city in the world in terms of anti-air defenses and still some stupid Ukrainian drone managed to slip through and crashed into Kremlin’s rooftop.

The S-400 batteries have also been somewhat vulnerable to ATACMS strikes, and the entire philosophy of Integrated Air Defense Systems (IADS) that the Soviets pioneered encompasses not just a long range weapons system (which the S-400 is and probably the best in the world) but networked layers of long, intermediate and short range weapon systems that provide a complete coverage against all types of aerial threats, and even then they are far from perfect when exercised in real world battlefields as demonstrated throughout various conflicts in the past few decades.

In other words, Iran is going to need more than just a few S-400 complexes if they want to stop NATO/Israeli air bombing, and while Russia is the only country in the world that has such complete system offer, the investment is not trivial.

[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yeah the S400 has also been vulnerable to the ballistic missile threat with regards to ATACMS. I don't Iran getting the S400 would make a huge difference, while it will be an improvement we've still seen that has some vulnerabilities. What is needed is a system dedicated to intercepting high speed ballistic projectiles. The S500 is set to integrate such capabilities, but I think there's only one battery currently in existence and it's either deployed at Moscow or Crimea.