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As the title states I am confused on this matter. The way I see it, the USA has a two party system and in the next few weeks they’re either going to have Trump or Harris as president, come inauguration day. With this in mind doesn’t it make sense to vote for the person least likely to escalate the situation even more.

Giving your vote to an independent or worse not voting at all, just gives more of a chance for Trump to win the election and then who knows what crazy stuff he will allow, or encourage, Israel to get away with.

I really don’t get the logic. As sure nobody wants to vote for a party allowing these heinous crimes to be committed, but given you’re getting one of them shouldn’t you be voting for the one that will be the least horrible of the two.

Please don’t come at me with pro-Israeli rhetoric as this isn’t the post for that, I’m asking about why people would make such choices and I’m not up for debate on the Middle East, on this post, you can DM me for that.

Edit: Bedtime here now so will respond to incoming comments in the morning, love starting the day with an inbox full 😊.

Edit 2: This blew up, it’s a little overwhelming right now but I do intent on replying to everybody that took the time to comment. Just need to get in the right headspace.

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[–] jwelch55@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

You can reject the fucked up premise, and find you still live in a reality that doesn't give a shit. In reality there are two outcomes to this election, and just a smidge of knowledge of game theory would show it doesn't make sense to help the worse side, both in the short and long term.

I hate that we have 2 options, I hate that there is no 'no genocide' option. Me hating that shouldn't cause me to make worse decisions with clearly worse outcomes for everyone

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 7 points 1 month ago

The critique of the trolly problem isn't that you don't still make the choice, it's that the outcome was predetermined before you even got there.

Leftists who are making a point of abstaining are doing so to point out that voters have no control over the trolly to begin with - that the choice is artificial because the outcomes were pre-selected by someone/something else to ensure a particular outcome, and that participating in that choice only ends up legitimizing that process.

[–] macabrett@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The no genocide option is to protest against the current regime instead of vote shaming people who probably don't even live in a single swing state (where your candidate brought Liz Fucking Cheney btw).

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There is no "No Genocide" option. There only Same Genocide with Harris and More Genocide with Trump.

[–] macabrett@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] jwelch55@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Do you know the reality of our electrical system?