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I really do feel like I'm taking crazy pills with libs this election. The last two they at least had a bloodless rationale to the "lesser of two evils" rhetoric.

But this is genocide, the canonical Worst Thing You Can DO! I know many just believe that it's not a genocide at all because Palestinian civilians are all Hamas and just subhuman or that the videos published by official IOF channels are all deepfaked by the hungry ghost of Nasrallah. But then just FUCKING SAY IT and then we can call you a genocide denier and we'll know where we stand!

What I can't get is that many do seem to agree it's a genocide and Kamala is complicit. But then they lesser evil by going "Well if we don't vote then Trump will do bad things to trans people here."

Like Fuck You! You scheming, gaslighting bloody handed monster!

Either this is just a disingenuous argument to get your team in power or to maintain liberal civility politics, in which case double Fuck You that you think people are abstract political tools.

Or, you actually believe this, and the freedom of an LGBT person here outweighs the lives of 2 million people, many LGBT, who happen to have had the extreme misfortune to be born 5 cm over the border and thus outside your ability to feel empathy.

In which case Triple Fuck You, because you are, somehow, more of a fascist than Trump. At least Trump is too incoherent to make a complete argument for fascist policy!

I'm going mad, I really am. How can people be streamed genocide live on CNN and just say "well, I guess we're ok with genocide now!" Is the US public even human?! Even the fucking Germans had the good sense to pretend to look guilty after they lost.

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[–] StalinStan@hexbear.net 26 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

The part where it breaks down for me is that that they talk about all the hypothetical stuff the DNC will do but it is all just fantasy. It is always stuff the DNC has never done or given any indication they will do. When you ask them about it they always just switch to talking about the bad stuff the gop will do that the DNC will not stop at all.

[–] Palacegalleryratio@hexbear.net 21 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (5 children)

Ok, so why aren’t you doing that now? You’ve been in power for 4 years, why haven’t you started to do that already or actually done it? Or if whatever cause truly matters to you, why aren’t you now working on preventing the Republicans from doing the bad thing if they get into power? Like you should have done enshrining roe vs wade which you didn’t do. Why are you doing nothing just to dangle the threat of the republicans over us?

[–] KenLin@lemmy.one 1 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

They were in power for about a year and a half. Since then they've had a 50-50 Senate and Republican house. Can't pass sweeping legislation when Congress is like that.

[–] Rod_Blagojevic@hexbear.net 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

There's other means to play hardball and get the votes you want, but it requires wielding power. I haven't seen Biden threatening base closures, having the dept. of labor aggressively prosecute prominent, rich opposition figures, hold up highway funding, start adding supreme court judges, or do anything really.

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 9 points 3 weeks ago

He definitely made sure to dredge up student loans from 20 years ago that schools have already discharged as bad debt and sent them over to collection agencies masquerading as the Dept of Education. WITH 20 years of interest.

Of course now they're threatening to release non payment info to credit agencies. Which they had explicitly said they would not do.

It's straight up extortion. The original loans were written off literally decades ago.

[–] ihaveibs@hexbear.net 17 points 3 weeks ago

So the democrats have shown themselves to be completely ineffective at passing legislation? So we shouldn't vote for a party that has shown themselves to be incapable of getting anything done.

Oh you mean the US political system is designed to gridlock everything and prevent anything from being done? Well first of all, how are they so easily able to pass legislation to sell weapons and deploy troops? And if it is true that everything is designed this way, surely that means we shouldn't give a fuck at all about voting and we need to be doing everything possible to change our political system, right?

[–] REgon@hexbear.net 9 points 2 weeks ago

Wild how they've managed to make sweeping legislation regarding giving more money to cops, the military, Israel, Ukraine and the like. Funny how that seems to work. Funny how they've been able to massively expand fracking, probably just a little coincidence. A coincidence that's probably the same as the one with them massively increasing deportations.
Their hands are tied though! They just cannot do anything to help! They really want to though, but there's just nothing to do! Oh well, better put massive tarrifs on cheap EVs and solar cells from China.

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