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[–] tiredturtle@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It was "Ukraine is on the verge of losing each second but a few weapons can keep their head above water until a peace is negotiated"

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No it wasn't, nobody official in Ukraine or west even talked about negotiating peace, the terms was always basically unconditional surrender of Russia and conquest of Crimea.

[–] tiredturtle@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Wow haven't seen claims Russia would surrender, sounds like a far cry

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

I mean they didn't officially called Russia to surrender, but after the first talks were sabotaged by Johnson, official stance of Ukraine, supported by their western helpers was (and still is) that Russia should entirely left borders of Ukraine including Donbas and also give them Crimea. The only situation in which this could happen is Russia's surrender (and historically such maximum one sided demands also only happened after surrendering of one side).