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[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So, everyone who has a problem with how the Democrats run things is an enemy? Gosh, why does that sound familiar?

This is the attitude you take, then you wonder why there isn't more unity against the Republicans. If you want to know how fascism wins, this is it.

[–] nomous@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So, everyone who has a problem with how the Democrats run things is an enemy? Gosh, why does that sound familiar?

Cool strawman.

This is the attitude you take, then you wonder why there isn’t more unity against the Republicans. If you want to know how fascism wins, this is it.

Fascism wins by people voting for fascists and by milquetoast moderates going along with it because they won't be first against the wall. If that seems so offensive to you then you deserve to be offended.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's hardly a strawman. Based on nothing but a statement that many Americans who don't buy into Trump's cult are still discontent with the system, you presumed that all of them, or at least a significant majority, are either against your rights, or at least willing to sacrifice them for some unspecified reason.

There is no conflict between being against the mass hording of wealth that plagues this country, and supporting the freedoms of disadvantaged groups. You seem awfully willing to abandon the fight for the economic prosperity for all Americans, not because it helps your minority, but because you get to be smug while society crumbles.

If the message is that people should vote for the lesser of two evils, especially to protect vulnerable classes, I'm right with you. If the message is "shut up about what's wrong with the Democratic party" then you are playing right into Republican strategy.

The Democrats don't want you dead, but they don't really care much if you live or die. The Democratic establishment is consistently the last on board for minority rights. Look at gay marriage for example. It wasn't until the idea became overwhelmingly popular that establishment Democrats came on board. The Defense of Marriage Act and "Don't ask, don't tell" both had overwhelming support from the Democratic establishment. Even then, gay marriage was enacted by the Supreme Court, and the Democrats have made no effort whatsoever to protect it in legislation, just like RvW.

At least the Republicans are honest in a warped way. Democrats hold minority interests hostage to further their own financial interests. They want your neck perpetually on the chopping block because they benefit from your peril. It's a game they play and, one time or another, it will be you that loses.

[–] nomous@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

everyone who has a problem with how the Democrats run things is an enemy

Unless you can show me where I said that, it's a strawman..

Based on nothing but a statement that many Americans who don’t buy into Trump’s cult are still discontent with the system, you presumed that all of them, or at least a significant majority, are either against your rights, or at least willing to sacrifice them for some unspecified reason

Don't assume what I presume as you're incorrect and that's not at all what I said.

There are plenty of discontent Americans who didn’t fall into Trump’s cult.

You must be assuming every one of them is a democrat, which is obviously not true. You make a lot of assumptions.

I'm not really interested in arguing over it, it's probably more hassle than it's worth. It's been a long day, I'm sure we agree on lots of stuff, have a nice night.