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[–] Flax_vert 8 points 1 month ago (15 children)

Aren't doves actually just white pigeons anyway?

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 27 points 1 month ago (14 children)

Here's the thing. You said a "dove is a pigeon."

Is it in the same family? Yes. No one's arguing that.

As someone who is a scientist who studies pigeons, I am telling you, specifically, in science, no one calls pigeons doves. If you want to be "specific" like you said, then you shouldn't either. They're not the same thing.

If you're saying "pigeon family" you're referring to the taxonomic grouping of Columbidae, which includes things from pigeons to doves to pigeons.

So your reasoning for calling a pigeons a dove is because random people "call the white ones doves?" Let's get gulls and pelicans in there, then, too.

Also, calling someone a human or an ape? It's not one or the other, that's not how taxonomy works. They're both. A dove is a dove and a member of the pigeon family. But that's not what you said. You said a dove is a pigeon, which is not true unless you're okay with calling all members of the pigeon family pigeons, which means you'd call doves, pigeons, and other birds pigeons, too. Which you said you don't.

It's okay to just admit you're wrong, you know?

[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (7 children)

You must be really passionate about pigeons to write seven paragraphs of condescension and a veiled insult because of one comment. Or maybe XKCD was right (again) and it's just an ornithologist thing.

[–] ElongatedMuskrat@lemm.ee 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

old days of reddit and a famous poster called UNIDAN. oh the good ol days. are jackdaws not just crows?

[–] casmael@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago

Well idk they’re both corvids. I’d refer to a ‘carrion crow’ as a ‘regular crow’ - black all over, feathers onto the top of the beak, flat head, about the size of a box of Kleenex. A jackdaw is pretty distinct as far as it goes, smaller, more like the size of a mango. They’re also mainly dark grey, with a darker head. Smaller beak. Jackdaws have white or pale green eyes, crows have black eyes. Jackdaws go ‘Aah Aah Aah’, crows go ‘caw caw caw’.

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