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Religions are part of society, they're not outside of it. Their dogma can and do evolve. It wouldn't be the first time a church reinterpret sacred text to better fit in society, for instance :
Countries in the UK and Europe have different forms of governments but none are theocracies. Elected representatives make laws, not churches, and churches cannot ignore laws.
That's a different story for Iran, Afghanistan, the Vatican... and I'm glad we're not following their example.
If you're constantly changing doctrine, then it's obviously a false religion. You cannot claim to have an all-knowing God yet He keeps changing His mind whenever society wants to do something differently other than what He commanded. The Bible is clear on God's stance and layout of human sexuality and marriage. It's not something that humans can just change on a whim.
You're assuming god exist, and that churches have a perfect understanding of god's stance.
Both are doubtful.
The major world religions believe God exists. Christianity states that homosexuality is a sin in the Bible which Christians believe is the infallible inspired word of God. Islam also states that it's sinful in the Qur'an which Muslims believe is the dictated word of god. You can't just change what God says because you don't agree with it.
Yes, many religious groups, thankfully not all, insist on preserving antiquated moral values, and perpetuate the discrimination of women and LGBT people.
This contribute to each new generation being less religious than the previous. People are fleeing and for good reasons.
It's up to each group to decide how to move forward, and whether to move forward at all. I can't force any change, but I do hope that religions that require perpetuation of discrimination will loose their followers.
Ironically, it's always the "progressivists" that lose followers more than the religions that stand by what they teach. Believing in a religion just because you like it or not believing in one because you dislike it isn't rational anyway. That's like not believing in climate change because you don't like it (which deep down is the case for many climate change deniers).
Take for example, Christianity. Someone should believe in Christianity, not because they agree with it, but because they believe Jesus of Nazareth is The Christ and He Is Who He says He Is.
I used to struggle with this. I wanted to affirm everything that the world was affirming, and I did. However, I realised that if God was Real and Perfect, then if I disagree with God, I am simply wrong myself, and it's I who needs to change, not God. I can't dictate to God who He should be or what He should believe.
If you wanted Christianity to follow society, you'd also have to remove the "give to the poor" parts in China, the "love your neighbour" part in the USA, and the "stop being a Pharisee and getting obsessed over how pious you are" in first century Jerusalem. If you only remove the part that challenges white society yet keep and preach the parts that offend other societies (like many "progressivists" are doing) that's not Christianity, that's white supremacism.