cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/45204357
Yesterday, I created my account on Lemmy.ml because I want to become mod on !stardewvalley@lemmy.ml. And I posted this comic on !stardewvalley@lemmy.ml It's SDV game cutscene where Shane a NPC go watch Sports game with you kiss you accidentily but It was part of that event also player kiss Shane(NPC) back. Here's video for more context. And someone claimed it have SA(Sexual Assualt) From Hexbear Ofcourse. So, I should delete it. I said it was a part of game cutscene. And If main player doesn't love the Shane(NPC) then they don't need to complete this event. And Just as a sarcasm I added Yeah we shoule delete this entire community because this game is Woke like Woke Detector Steam Group said. That user think I am some anti-woke dickhead something like that IDK. And tell me to Kill My Self. What I do now? I wanted on become mod on .ml because community was already well established. I message dessaline but I am sure he will not unbanned me. :(
Did I really did something wrong? I don't know If I really did something wrong.
Link for that comic if embed doesn't work.
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Having looked at your other post about it and the original thread, nah they were pretty in the right to take it down. What was depicted in that comic is exactly the sort of thing I'd imagine when thinking of toxic masculinity, it makes me extremely uncomfortable to think about anything like that happening in real life as it very clearly depicts a form of sexual assault. I really don't like the idea that this is something people think should be normalised, sexual assault is more than just r*pe. It doesn't really matter if it's from a game, it's an entirely valid point and that's as far as the discussion should go.
That said, the "makes me want to shoot you" comment wasn't called for and they should apologise for it, even if they were trying to make some other point.
Demonizing non-toxic masculinity and happy honest sexuality, by pretending that this comic depicts toxic masculinity or actual sexual assault, does favors to no one.
I can understand that a certain type of person could look at this and see a justification for assaultive behavior. Erasing the concept that something like this could ever be a wholesome thing, making the good side out to be something that is also the bad side and has to be shunned or equated to actual SA, makes that problem worse, not better.
When that scene happens, the player's avatar and Shane are already dating. He is not kissing some random person, but someone who already showed romantic interest towards him.
And while the sprites are ambiguous, the kiss is clearly on the cheek, until the player avatar returns the gesture and makes it a French kiss. Give this a check, around 13:08.
All this context is widely understood by players, because they looove to talk about those heart scenes. And the comic is read within this context.
So while I agree that sexual assault is not just rape, this is simply not sexual assault by any account. There's no violation of consent and, funnily enough, the sexualisation comes from the players' avatar (a woman in this case, but it could be also a man - the scene plays identically in both cases), by turning it into a French kiss.
I agree with you that it can be SA but it's a cutscene of game where both NPC and Player already love each other so yeah.
But it's not, it's a comic with none of that context
It was posted to a community focused on the game, which has been out for many years. The event is well-known for those who have played the game a bunch, so the context is kind of already assumed by the intended audience. It's not as if OP posted it to a random comics community without any explanation, it was presented to a group of people who are already familiar with the story.
While on the other hand, authoritians always "know better" than the people underneath them. Even - nay, especially - when they do not.
Yep, I know that's why I added context later when that user claimed that. Even provied game cutscene video. Now tell if I am wrong or not. If I added context is it still considered SA? Sorry, If I am wrong.
Yes, yes it is. I've tried to explain to you at length how it's SA even in context (the "why is he making excuses" argument) and how it's harmful even if there was context redeeming it (the "it's visible to people without such context" argument).
I do not understand why you're so adamant about defending cartoon SA and the harm it can cause.
Gee, I wonder why somebody is resistant to hearing you out after you told them you wanted to shoot them. You owe sag an apology, not excuses.
It's just a comment bro.
Don't pretend like you don't understand how telling somebody you want to shoot them is an unreasonable escalation.
Should I add CW on this type post to avoid accidental PTSD triggred? Or is it also not enough?
Kissing the person you're dating is toxic masculinity now? Jesus fucking Christ. Please explain what toxic male stereotype was depicted here to make it make sense. And did they both rape each other too, since they were drinking a can of beer and thus were not able to consent? Or does that also only work for men? And yes, it completely matters if it is from a game, or any other fan fiction's source. It's a comic of a scene from its original source material. Context matters but people like you just want to be asocial. Just because you're not aware of the context, does not mean it doesn't exist.
ml users say a bunch of dumb stuff e.g they consider the terms 'dick sucking' and 'dick riding ' to be misogynistic and homophobic
Look man, I'm just giving my opinion of how it looked to me, it's fine if you disagree. But you don't need to be a dick about it.
I don't know why you'd say I want to be asocial, I read the comic and it made me pretty uncomfortable, within the context of the game sure fair point, it's fine. But not everyone is going to see it that why, so I disagreed, I'm not whatever monster you've decided I am.
Kissing someone that's intoxicated without asking for consent first. (Even with consent you should ideally wait until both of you are sober to ask again)
That's not a toxic male stereotype.
But but but man bad
Pretty sure they were being sarcastic guys