And that’s the thing many people don’t seem to get: the US is not a 2 party system by design – there are actually many parties in the US, including Green, Libertarian, Constitution, Forward, No Labels, Working Families, Alliance, etc, many of which have been on the national ticket. Darrell Castle (Constitution Party) was on the presidential ballot in 2016, for example (I included him in a satirical anti-trump graphic I made in 2016).

The problem isn’t a lack of parties, but that the mathematics of FPTP means they literally can’t gain purchase. If you want 3rd parties to matter, instead of protest* voting or abstaining, start working towards replacing FPTP now for future elections. These conversations only seem to happen in autumn of an election year, which is far too late.

Put your effort into something like FairVote Action so we don’t have to deal with this nonsense forever.

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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, with the current system, the only real hope for a major third party is for one of the major parties to split. Because any small third party just eats up the votes of the major party closest to its position. But, big parties only tend to split when they face major electoral defeats and there's a lot of infighting. That means that not only did they lose, but now due to being split, they're not even an effective opposition, and the other major party wins more easily than ever. (Which tends to lead to complacency and corruption, which tends to lead to eventual electoral defeats, once the other party gets its act together...)

And then there's the problem that the only people who have the possible power to pass electoral reform belong to one of the two major parties, and it's completely against the interest of those major parties to get rid of FPTP, because FPTP locks in their duopoly. That's why, for example, when the Canadian Liberal party promised to get rid of FPTP, they abandoned that promise as soon as they were in power.

Maybe reform is possible because people are human, they don't always optimize for the perfect win in a game. But, game theory says that it's going to be a major uphill battle to pass any kind of reform.

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

And then there's the problem that the only people who have the possible power to pass electoral reform belong to one of the two major parties, and it's completely against the interest of those major parties to get rid of FPTP

This is generally true, but I’d say there’s a nonzero chance the Dems will be persuaded to support it – mostly because they’ve shown some support so far and because they don’t have a stranglehold on their base. The Republicans will fight it until their last breath, but the Dems are a coalition party held together by hopes and dreams, and they’ve been made to learn lately that they will lose if they don’t acknowledge progressives (this is part of why Walz was chosen – he’s the closest thing to a socialist they’ve chosen in recent memory). Without progressives, they will fail, and ditching FPTP would mean more engagement from a wide swathe of leftists, which would effectively shut out the far right. It’s in the best interest for the moderate left to be campaigning against the far left than the far right, and ditching FPTP would give them that.*.

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[–] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 months ago

By design, the US was supposed to be an actual plutocracy where only wealthy white men were allowed to vote or run for office. The US was designed to be many times worse than it currently is so honestly we are doing Washington a huge kindness by pretending like he wasn't a a racist, sexist, elitist piece of shit that made it illegal for women, people of color, and the working poor (renters) to vote.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago

How could you not have a FPTP system in America? Your voting for a president, person with most votes wins, I know electoral college is involved but they should get rid of that.