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Rishi Sunak’s Conservatives on Friday suffered two crushing UK parliamentary by-election defeats but averted a “3-0” drubbing by unexpectedly holding on to Boris Johnson’s old Uxbridge seat.

The grave problems facing the British prime minister were highlighted when the opposition Labour party secured its biggest-ever by-election win in the once-safe Tory seat of Selby and Ainsty in Yorkshire.

Earlier the centrist Liberal Democrats demolished a massive Tory majority to win the seat of Somerton and Frome, opening up a dangerous new front for Sunak in the Tory heartlands of England’s South West.

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[–] G4Z 1 points 1 year ago

You’ve obviously decided to vote Lib Dem regardless of reality

I haven't decided anything yet, there's a long time until the election.

Maybe Keith will be toppled and Ed Miliband will come in and start saying things I like, and then I'll change my mind.

I’m not sure there’s any point continuing this discussion.

Well I have listened to your points, I did some research on the ULEZ thing and I just don't think that's the reason they lost this by-election. the current state of things Labour should be walking that and I don't believe ULEZ explains it, most people won't have to pay anything for ULEZ it's a total non issue.

If you think that’s a reason to vote Lib Dem, I guess that’s your right.

I mean, they support PR don't they?

They always have and they've never played politics with the issue, same for the SNP. I'd vote for that even if I didn't like their other policies.

I’m going to vote for the party most likely to do the kinds of things that we both want: Labour.

If I thought they were going to do the things I think we agree need doing, then I would agree, but I don't trust them and I definitely don't trust Keith.

I should say, I quite liked what he had to say about Brexit and things before he became leader and in fact he was my prefered choice for leader (not that I get a vote as I am not a member of any party and I wouldn't last 5 mins in Labour with all their rules anyway) , I am judging him based on what I've seen.

The trouble is, there is no party that really is offering the radical change we needed 20 years ago. At least voting for a PR party we can maybe get that done and maybe in 5 - 10 more years we can start getting some actual good policy.

I'd be quite interested to know why it is you have as much faith in Starmer as you do?