this and macron creating a conservative government despite leftists winning the most votes in france makes me wonder if a leftist victory is ever possible.

[–] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 44 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Not through liberal "democracies" no, where the entire point is to keep capitalists in power. Unionizing and organizing for a revolution has always been the only way.

[–] leisesprecher@feddit.org 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The much bigger problem is the apathy and stupidity of the average person.

Every single person in Western countries has enough information to see through the bullshit of the political class and they have the power to vote them out. But they don't. They don't want to be bothered by actually taking responsibility, they just want someone else to blame. Jews, immigrants, gays, doesn't matter.

Many will argue with propaganda, but most of the propaganda is extremely blatant. You'll only believe it, if you want to believe it. It may solidify resentments, but it won't create them out of nowhere.

[–] rando895@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Even if it's true that people are stupid (which is also a narrative pushed which ensures apathy) that is completely irrelevant. Why is it that these apparently stupid people believe the "wrong thing"? Well, it's the same as always. The capitalists are better organized than us, and those supporting them know of no other alternatives. So for a successful revolution the oppressed class needs to get better organized (which IS happening, albeit slowly).

If YOU feel apathetic, please find a socialist/communist/radical left party/group and join it. It can help immensely

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If YOU feel apathetic, please find a socialist/communist/radical left party/group and join it. It can help immensely

i've done this and we accomplished little more than a few demonstrations that went completely unnoticed and some phone calls that were never returned; not all party/groups are helpful.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Not the "proper" way, that way was designed to prevent a leftist victory from ever happening, and shutting it down if it does. However, history has shown that it's incredibly achievable once people get together and decide to stop playing the ruling class's games.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 months ago

However, history has shown

i think that this is the key part. i'm unaware of a leftist victory in the global north since the great depression and i suspect it's because the hegemonic powers have gotten so good and so organized at mitigating possible class cohesion that we're stuck in this pattern until something very drastic happens to society centuries/millennia from now; making a leftist victory a practical impossibility for any of us in ours or the next several generation's lifetimes.