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Again, nobody cares where the jews were when the Roman Empire existed. In that logic we need to roll back the entirety of the last several hundred years. That's patently ridiculous.
It's also ridiculous to say Britain won it so now Isreal gets to exist, when the Irgun drove the British out. It's doubly ridiculous because all of the other colonial projects from the early 1900's have been devolved to the indigenous people. And no, you're not indigenous to an area after living abroad for 2000 years. What makes this slice of the Ottoman empire special?
@Maggoty
Just like nobody cares that the Palestinians controlled this territory before they lost it. All that matters is who has it now.
The UN decided to partition Mandatory Palestine, with part of it forming Israel and the other forming an independent Palestine. However, the Palestinians rejected this, went to war, and lost.
When you go to war and lose, it's not your land anymore.
It's also not the 1700s anymore. We don't do the whole wars of conquering land anymore. Israel does not get a pass on that.
@Maggoty
Are you confused? WWII was in the 1900's, not the 1700's.
And, to remind you, the UN partitioned Mandatory Palestine. Israel accepted this, the Palestinians went to war and lost. Sucks to be them.
Remind me again, how well did that work out for Germany and Russia? They held on to all that land? No? Oh but what about World War 1? Oh that all devolved to local rule or was handled after World War 2? Your best argument here is Poland's radical shift in territory but it was a nebulous concept at best for several hundred years and the territory they shifted onto was literally right next to them, not across an ocean with an entirely different culture already there. So maybe not the comparison you want to make unless you like the idea of inviting Egypt, Syria, and Iran to part out Israel.
@Maggoty
You're Gish galloping.
The actual issue is whether, contrary to Iran's slur, Israel is a legitimate nation with a legal right to exist. It is and does, as it was created by the highest international authority.
Cherry-picking historical partitions (thus avoiding India/Pakistan) is a dishonest change of topic.
Gish galloping? What in there was a lie? Words have meaning sir. We live in a society.
And if you want to bring in the British then fine, they did that without consulting anyone, it was not the preferred solution by anyone except extremists and it resulted in wars and ethnic cleansing. Oh hey look it's just like Palestine! There's a pattern here...
And clearly the people Israel is currently genociding do not care what the Un said about Israel 70 years ago. They aren't going to see an apartheid state oppressing them as legitimate. Nor should they. After all Germany was a country too and I'm pretty sure the German Jews didn't consider Hitler taking power in a river of blood as legitimate either. Legitimacy is something you can lose, especially if it was tenuous in the first place. Like say, if someone was to keep fighting you for 70 years over it.
@Maggoty
Gish galloping is more than just lying, it's generating falsehoods faster than they can be refuted, which entails responding to refutations by changing the subject. Like you just did. Again.
New rule: Don't argue with antisemites. Just block them.
I ask again which part was a lie?