There are some grocery stores in NYC that have service train stops underneath. You would need to have something like that built out and easy to plug into before getting rid of cars. It's doable though. Secaucus is already like a park and ride station. Van Cordt in the Bronx has enough space to act as another if they eminent domain all the mansions.

[–] Chronicon@hexbear.net 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You would need to have something like that built out and easy to plug into before getting rid of cars

Why?

I mean yeah, transit expansion necessary. And if you plan to actually make the streets impassable to delivery vehicles then I guess stores need freight access, but just to ban or severely restrict private cars?

[–] bortsampson@hexbear.net 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Sure you can get rid of the private cars but there are a shit ton of trucks and cars doing deliveries in Manhattan. You wouldn't really reclaim much of the streets because they would still need the access.

[–] Chronicon@hexbear.net 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

the photo shows what appears to be 7 lanes. I think you could reclaim a fuckton of that lol. I'm not saying you have to fill it all in with buildings and have no streets but 100ft wide streets is a lot of space to play around with.

look at the cars in that photo and tell me more than 10% are commercial vehicles.

[–] bortsampson@hexbear.net 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You now have a situation where you have eliminated last mile shipping, courier drivers, and contracted service drivers. You can legitamtely ease the transition period by having a built underground scheduled freight service. I would say yes, at this point 20% of those drivers are doing some kind of job related to business. If you want transition large scale to carless you need to provide a goods moving method through out a city heavily organized around last mile shipping services. Building have post offices in NYC. Building sometimes receive mail services 10 times a day. A lot of that is done with cars. The point was to go car free. I made my point. I'm not going to play the move the goal post game.

[–] Chronicon@hexbear.net 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Didn't mean to be a dick sorry! I get where you're coming from now, eliminating all cars, my thought was just even if none of the commercial use changes you can get rid of like half the lanes easy. rail freight, underground rail, cargo bikes, etc. would all be great to expand too though to get rid of the rest

[–] bortsampson@hexbear.net 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's all good. I have zero issue with reducing the traffic in the city. They are incredibly dangerous within cities. It's just really hard in skyscremovedr dense neighborhoods to eliminate adhoc services without providing some kind of replacement beforehand. I don't understand the rationale of driving a car into Manhattan if you can avoid it. They already have plenty of public transit. I haven't lived in Manhattan for 20 years and NYC for 10 so I don't know how bad it is now. But like, it can't be that bad.

[–] Chronicon@hexbear.net 2 points 2 days ago

issue everyone in manhattan a flying pigeon and call it good mao-wave