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[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 25 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

The old RainbowSix games (pre-Vegas) were absolutely brutal in difficulty. Enemies died in one or two shots, depending on what part you hit. Even a non-mortal wound would cripple them permanently. But the same rules applied to you.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

the only real R6 games. when everyone was raving about Vegas i was excited to play it and... the intro mission was just a shooter level... i thought ok this is the intro to basic combat... then there was the next mission and no planning section there either. i was puzzled. i closed the game and went on some forum i don't remember and asked whether i did something that made the game skip the one thing that set the series apart... nope. it doesn't exist!

from the people who made a heroes game without the town screen, introducing a rainbow six game without planning! i cannot believe reviews i saw weren't screaming that about the game.

fuck Ubisoft so much. who needs AI in games when we have Ubisoft the ultimate slop machine.

[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I never really cared for the planning myself but Vegas ruined it for my by introducing that stupid cover system to make it like Gears of War which was popular at the time. They completely removed the ability to lean. You couldn't properly peek around a corner to take a shot without almost fully exposing yourself anymore. This meant you couldn't avoid absorbing bullets all the time. This made the game unplayable so to counterbalance that, they've added regenerating health. But then it became too easy so they kept putting you in tactically completely unfair positions against hordes of extremely aggressive enemies that can see you and shoot you through walls. They also had a lot of visually busy environments where the enemies are difficult to spot even when they're shooting at you because the sound mixing was so botched up that often you couldn't even tell when you were being shot at.

They turned it into a mindless arcade shooter where you constantly absorb bullets like it's normal and fight a whole army on your own. I wouldn't be surprised if all of this is because some Corporate dipshit forced the inclusion of that cover system because Gears of War made money.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

it's mind boggling that it was so well received. 8s and 9s flying for the most forgettable hodgepodge.

it's ok if you don't like the planning but that was what made R6 what it was. you could just go in guns blazing and try to improvise but that wasn't what the game was about. meticulously planning an infiltration, executing it in real time, communicating and coordinating with bots, and seeing all of it work out at the end was a uniquely satisfying experience that no other game provided, and made you feel like a tactical genius.

the tactical depth of Vegas was boiled down entirely to "go here" commands. tactical shooter gameplay was better implemented by games like mass effect 1 which wasn't even primarily a shooter, let alone a tactical shooter.

[–] FlihpFlorp@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago

I love this game because it feels like the game is actually playing by rules

Yeah you can cripple someone by shooting their legs, reduce accuracy by shooting arms, or go for a good ol headshot. You can really feel like a tactical badass. Oh by the way same goes for you

It just makes me really happy seeing that

Ofc in practice I am horrible so that sometimes undoes all my excitement