Some of the LinkedIn Responses are direct and on-point, and also hilariously/depressingly based depending on how you look at it:
EDIT: In hindsight, I think I should've looked into posting this in a different community.. It's closer to a silly "innovation".. soo.. is this considered FUD? I also don't support smoking or vaping, especially among kids. Original title had "privacy-violating" before the "solution".
I am all for vape detectors. They only detect the fumes and aren't really that invasive. They are basiclly specialized fire alarms.
Nicotine is very bad for developing brains. I don't understand why you are ok with minors using it in a public school of all things.
Nobody said they were ok with young people vaping. The point people are making is that communication and discipline, both things that require time and skill, would be a better, less invasive approach.
Perhaps that's being done as well?
But even if it is, that approach doesn't work with all people, no matter how skillful or how much time is put into it.
It's not really the detector that I have a problem with here, it's the "reduce vaping incidents through social influence" part. Their plan (as I understand it) is to have a display outside the washroom to tell other kids that the person in the washroom is vaping and essentially get them to quit through public shaming, which is both cruel and ineffective. If the detector instead alerted teachers privately that there was someone vaping in the washroom then the teachers would deal with it appropriately, I think it could be okay.
My brother used to vape back in high school, and punishment never got him to stop, it just made him get more creative about how he hid it. When he eventually did quit after he graduated, he chose to because he knew it was harmful.
I think it is a bigger issue. I think the vaping companies need to be held liable for targeting under age kids.
I think long term the idea is to keep them from starting to begin with. That's hard to do but getting it out of school will reduce the spread of the addiction. It definitely will be appreciated by the students who don't vape and don't want to smell or inhale it.
My problem with it is the whole purpose of what the device does based on the post is stupid. It just puts a notification on the screen as a way to try and use social pressure to get people to stop vaping. But that doesn't work cause no one really cares if you vape or not. Some people might even think it's cool or might turn it into a game of trying to vape without setting it off to impress their other friends who vape. I graduated highschool in 2019 and people definitely vaped and the only people they really cared about hiding it from were the teachers, no other students cared at all. So because of all of that this kind of device is just a waste of money that could be better spent on educating kids on how vaping is bad, just like what we did for cigarettes that worked so well.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope
It is literally a glorified smoke alarm.
Although, I am sure it is a slippery slope. Next the may want to install CO2 detectors and water line monitoring. They even may install pencil sharpeners in the classroom
They might also finally getting around to deterring school shooters by mounting those cool AI powered Samsung smart guns they recently installed at the Korean DMZ
Thats a bit of a wild leap. Would you be against using tech to respond rapidly to a gunshot in the school? Like those audio sensors which can pinpoint its location and alert security instantly?
Or they could start monitoring for violent words being said.
A smoke alarm monitors for an emergency, this is for monitoring people. There is a difference.
It's not hard to see how the path of "monitor and report" is sliding into a more police state mindset when it's been show that the best deterrent is education. And before people say "do both", no. Stuff like this makes kids see the school as the enemy, someone to work around and try to beat. It destroys any trust.
I understand the point here and agree with it. It also feels a bit small and irrelevant to me in the grand scheme of things.
Idk about schools outside the US but at least here, schools already have pretty extensive security camera systems that have the same issues. They are presumably only to be used by first responders during a school shooting or something like that (god our nation is f***ed up) but they do end up getting used in many schools to enforce random rules and stuff that are definitely not emergencies.
There was one time that my sister paid for an apple during lunch but asked the lunch lady if she could keep it so that my sister could come back for it later. She got called in for questioning by the police for "stealing" because the security guard saw her taking an apple after lunch had ended.
There was one guy that was running in the hallway after-hours between two different after school clubs to get information or something like that the other club's teacher. He was talked to the next day about not being in the school after-hours unless he stayed with his club and that even if no one else was in the hall he shouldn't run.
The security camera usage by staff seems like a much bigger invasion of privacy to me but trying to argue about it with anyone inevitably leads to discussions on gun violence because even people for gun control seem to think that the privacy invasion is "worth it in the mean time".
"what I thought you all had phones"
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While I don’t disagree that kids shouldn’t be vaping, let’s at least stick to the realm of truth.
I didn't thinking that idea was still in dispute. There have been multiple studies in this area. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3543069/
Source: uh, been alive for a few years.