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[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (3 children)

The lies the US spread about china... which are those? Just curious.

[–] MaeBorowski@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Just take a look at any mainstream western media that mentions China and it shouldn't take too long to spot a lie, it will probably even be in the headline. Even just the fact that it's practically a joke-meme that anything China does that is unambiguously positive will get a headline in the west that includes "But At wHaT cOsT?!?"

But for a few obvious, overt examples: Uighur "genocide." Spy balloons. Winnie the Pooh ban. Social credit scores.

[–] joenforcer@midwest.social 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Got sources that debunk those? I'd like to learn.

[–] MaeBorowski@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

And just to add, if you somehow missed it like I did (until just a minute ago), @davel@lemmy.ml provided a ton of information debunking the Uyghur "genocide" myth right here in this very thread. He just did a great favor for any well-meaning liberals who actually want to find out more about what the situation really is in Xinjiang, he basically did yall's homework for you.

[–] MaeBorowski@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago

Well, the most serious lie fortunately has the most material that thoroughly proves its falsehood. The following link contains more links to many such resources: https://xinjiangahr.carrd.co/ It's a place to start, both if you want just immediate proof that there is no genocide as well as if you want to learn more about what really has been going on in Xinjiang.

Even though they still are obligated to call it a spy balloon because The Narrative is still officially that it was, even western media have quietly admitted that despite flying across the continent, the balloon did absolutely no spying and actually appeared to be utterly incapable of doing any spying. Weird, how inefficient! And seriously, anyone who has even a passing knowledge of weather balloons or spycraft would have told you this from the beginning, as many did. https://xcancel.com/Reuters/status/1674507379306557462

No, Winnie the Pooh is not banned in China and simply looking around a bit for things that exist in China confirms this. Telling people who live in China that people in the US believe Pooh is banned will result in laughter. This is in China, does it look banned? https://www.shanghaidisneyresort.com/en/attractions/adventures-winnie-pooh/ There was a racist caricature image/meme that along with portraying Xi as Pooh also portrayed Obama as the Tigger character. (I would hope no one here would need explaining why both of those are extremely racist). That specific racist image was officially censored online, but censoring racism is a good thing, and again, Pooh the character, the franchise, or anything else like that, none of it banned. That it was is just another silly lie. Though the whole of reddit (for example) believes the lie because it aligns with the rest of the bullshit they think they know about China which is just straight up false.

China's infamous "Social Credit Score" also isn't real: https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/11/16/chinas-orwellian-social-credit-score-isnt-real/ There is a kind of rating system of businesses that allows people to score them based on how well they are a service to the community they're in, but seeing as most people would recognize that as a good thing, the sinophobic propagandists won't tell you that, but instead fabricate yet another bogus story to paint China as a boogeyman. This one is especially galling because all the scary things they made up with this one actually has a much worse version that is reality in the west. It's such a blatant case of projection it's jokerifying.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Many, like the exploding helmets thing, or the idea of Xi being an unaccountable dictator.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Should be easily proven by giving an example of Xi being held to account.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

For what exactly?

Meanwhile in burgerland, Obama dropped an average of 60 bombs on north africa and the middle east every single day during his presidency. Have the US people held him to account, and have him face a war crimes tribunal for this atrocity against humanity?

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

For what exactly?

Anything. One example of Xi being held to account disproves the description of an unaccountable dictator.

Obama dropped bombs

"The president has, in this capacity, plenary power to launch, direct and supervise military operations, order or authorize the deployment of troops, unilaterally launch nuclear weapons, and form military policy with the Department of Defense and Homeland Security."

Yes, for these actions the president is accountable to no-one for 4 years.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml -4 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] joenforcer@midwest.social 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This isn't a helpful answer and comes across as disingenuous. You should provide even just a few.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago

I'm not going to come up with an argument for you, then debate against it.