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Hello comrades! Friendly reminder that American leftists continue to be threatened by gun loving conservatives. You should know how to defend yourself and you should probably own a gun. Find an active SRA, John Brown Gun Club, or (if things are dire) pink pistols or other "apolitical" gun club.

I've been in the SRA for 4 years, it's not great, but I met comrades local to me. I've learned a lot from them and fash who post good firearms advice and I love to share that when I can.

Open for questions and I'll post more getting started stuff if this doesn't get banned.

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[–] 31337@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The "victim of a crime, homicide" thing is likely just a correlation. If person is more likely to be in danger, they are more likely to have a gun.

I've seen some people posit that the Black Panther's armed patrols deterred police violence in their communities. On the other hand, I guess their leaders were eventually killed by the Feds. As a side effect, the Black Panthers also caused governments and the NRA to support gun control, lol.

[–] BertramDitore@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Study after study has shown that having a gun in the home was linked with nearly three times higher odds that someone would be killed at home by a family member or intimate acquaintance.

more permissive gun laws are making people less safe. In the states with the weakest gun laws, gun deaths rose 46 percent from 2012 to 2020, compared with just a 7 percent increase in the states with the strongest gun laws over that same period. Source

[–] 31337@sh.itjust.works -4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I mean, that would obviously be the case. It depends on the person and personal circumstances. For some people (maybe even most), domestic violence is not a threat at all. The conclusion to the second article you linked is, "state-level firearm ownership rates are related to rates of domestic but not nondomestic firearm homicide."

I think it's probably not good that the increasing number of fascist-leaning people in the US are much more likely to be own guns than non-fascists. I'm very much pro gun-control, but until guns are banned, I think more leftist and liberals should own and know how to use guns if their situation permits.

[–] BertramDitore@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

It’s totally your right to believe that more leftists should own guns, I have no issue with that opinion, but the data we have says that those people will end up less safe overall. Of course it all depends on the person and their personal circumstances, but that’s not what big statistical studies are about, they’re about generalizations that can be applied to large populations of different types of people. And the best data we have shows that owning a gun makes you or someone you love three-times more likely to be killed by that gun.

[–] drkt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I agree with you in that Joe Schmoe shouldn't be having guns in his home. That doesn't mean you can't support the existence of gun ranges and practice using guns! It may come in useful one day, even if you don't get to bring your gun home with you.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It may come in useful one day,

By that logic, I need to learn to fly helicopter. The odds are higher I'll solve something with a helicopter. As former infantry, I assert that guns don't solve any problems ever.

[–] drkt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago

Well, I can fly a helicopter...

[–] BertramDitore@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

100% I’m all for gun safety training and gun ranges.

[–] ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

We need more groups like the Black Panthers to dissuade the police and the state from committing violence against people.

[–] maniii@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

But, for Breonna Taylor's BF owning and operating a gun when police rwongly executed a No-Knock Illegal Warrant, the BF shooting at armed unknown unannounced "intruders" directly led to her death.

Police or the state or the judge were not at fault ( even though everything they did was illegal ) but it was the gun-defense by the BF that killed her.

:smh: when I hear how good the 2A is compared to the entire US constitution.