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[–] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 23 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I'm a little unclear about the specifics of the French system, but this essentially means Macron is trying to run a minority government and appoint a PM from his party, right? So...he'll need the fash to give him supply (I think a coalition is unlikely) and...why would they do that when forcing a deadlock and another dissolution would just hurt Macron at this point?

I guess Macron could just not, and deal with collapse of supply since he's the only one who can dissolve parliament and both the right and left would need to agree to impeach, but then it's like a US budget crisis on steroids.

[–] Hexboare@hexbear.net 20 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Can't Macron just continue refuse to do anything and run a caretaker government for the next few years?

If they don't have the numbers to remove him, anyway

[–] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 21 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Potentially he could try, it's been done in England (though not recently, I think the last time was the bedchamber crisis and that was more an unwilling minority government) and in Belgium more recently. The advantage of parliamentary systems with figurehead leaders to manage transitions is that this can't happen (or more correctly it would be very unusual for the German President or Australian Governor General to do this, and the last time the UK monarch tried to pull this it nearly killed the monarchy).

The problem is at some point legislation for essential government functions will be required, taxation arrangements will expire, deadlines for ratifying EU legislation internally will pass etc. Belgium managed this mostly ok because while the parties didn't want to be in coalition they didn't hate each other to the point of physical violence, and the system is fully parliamentary so ad hoc deals were possible since the Head of State wont block things.

The Fifth Republic was (ostensibly, anyway) set up this way to prevent the instability of the Third/Fourth Republic and the weak coalitions and minority governments, but now they're in the same problem from the Presidential Side. They've never had this issue before, and I think the French Government does specify a Prime Minister in the constitution, unlike the UK et al where it doesn't exist but we all pretend it does, so there's an argument he's legally obligated to appoint one.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 5 points 2 months ago

"Western liberal democracy".

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 2 months ago

I imagine this is going to be a major radicalizing event in France either way.