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How can we stop corporations from using Lemmy as a training dataset for AI? (lemmygrad.ml)

submitted 2 months ago by VeganicTankie@lemmygrad.ml to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

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Reddit third-party client ban closed user messages behind paywall. I think we the Lemmitors should stop AI training on us or at least monetise it (for our instances)

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[–] mspencer712@programming.dev 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Broadly this is preventing plagiarism. We don’t want someone to scrape all our knowledge, remove the human connection and reference back to experts and people, and serve the information itself, uncredited.

But if a human can read something, so can a bot. I think ultimately we need legislation.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Plagiarism is serving up content verbatim, not serving up information.

[–] mspencer712@programming.dev 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Are you sure? Maybe I’m using the wrong word. What is it called when, in an academic paper, the author states findings or conclusions the author got from some other source, in the author’s own words, but doesn’t cite their source?

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago

I don’t know.

The only academic papers I’ve ever read are scientific publications, and in that case any conclusions that aren’t supported by the methodology or by reference are just … untrusted.

I don’t have any experience with non-scientific academic papers.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Also legislation isn’t going to help. The danger of AI is so much deeper and more profound than plagiarism, if we start fucking around with legislation as our mechanism of protection, it will cause us all to die when the cartels or whatever actors simply do not care about laws pull ahead in AI development.

The push for legislation is to ensure that small startups don’t get access to AI. It’s to ensure that only ultra-wealthy AI development can take place.

To survive the advent of AI we need as much multipolarity as possible to the AI power structure. That means as many separate, distinct AIs coming into existence as possible, to force them down a path of parity instead of dictatorship in their social aspect.

Legislation is a push by the big players to keep the little players from being able to play. It is a really, really bad idea.

[–] mspencer712@programming.dev 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I’m probably thinking about this in a naive way. I’d love to see proprietary models, if trained using public information, be required to become public and free via legislation. AI companies can compete on selling GPU time, on ease of use.

And, if AI companies are required to figure out attribution in order to be able to use their work commercially, research will accelerate in that area because money. No I don’t know how that would work either.

Still probably a bad idea but I haven’t figured out why yet.

Thank you for your well written reply.