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Binge alcohol use in the past month among persons aged 18-25 years in the U.S. from 2002 to 2022, by gender
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this post was submitted on 18 Aug 2024
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Fun does not come with risk, where did you get that from?
This "oversocialization" of fun is really a sad thing in our current society where people feel like fun is getting drunk and going to the club and nothing else. Fun can be a good book, a puzzle, painting, going on a walk, watching a movie. The reason people love alcohol that much is not for fun but because it destroys their brain and prevents them from thinking, especially about risks. That's how the stupid "fun stories" come from, from people doing stupid things but being too drunk to understand it. Creepy dude giving you a drink with powder at the bottom? Eh, too drunk to see a problem. Halfway into a drunken coma and wanting to drive? No problem.
Also, doom scrolling social media is a thing that people do to try to continue "socializing" because they are unable to do anything else.
And also, I would add that comparing with "old times" is absurd considering how times change. I do hope that we can have higher standards than the previous generations.
So the psychiatric help is not here to create fun stories but to allow you to learn how to have healthy ones. Not everything needs to be immediately "fun".
While reading or a puzzle, painting, watching a movie can be fun. The fact thats your idea if fun seems a little sad. Going for a walk comes with risk.
You're just completely on about things that aren't about having fun while drinking so thats a completely worthless comment.
Haha again what another worthless comment. "Comparing things is absurd." Jesus. I don't see how you think that is a smart thing to say.
Times change yes. They can change for the better or for the worse. Comparing things is a good thing. The future is not fixed it can change in many many different ways.
I feel like you are just making different arguments. Other things other than drinking can be fun. But losing a good thing is bad. Gaining a bad thing is bad.
People read books in the past they still do now, provably less actually. But that's irrelevant to drinking.
It seems sad to you because you are unable to find fun without alcohol, that seems sad to me.
Comparing things isn't absurd, comparing things with the old times, using them as the absolute reference of what is good, is absurd.
Losing a good thing is bad. Alcohol is not one. Main cause of car deaths, one of the biggest avoidable sources of cancer, famously linked with rape and violent behaviour, and one of the only drugs that I know of that can physically cause death from deprivation of it. This is in no way worth whatever "fun" is supposedly linked with it. And my point was that there are many things that are actually fun (as in, without having to kill your brain to find them fun) that don't involve so many horrible consequences. And without people thinking of the "good old times" constantly, alcohol would have long be recognised as what it is: a dangerous drug with no real benefit. And scientifically it is recognised as such.
Well I didn't say that. I even did some of the things you used as examples while we have been talking.
Didn't do that either.
Look your not cool enough to enjoy alcohol I get it. But I never said any of those things are good. Driving is driving, rape is rape.
There are current good times with alcohol. Just a the culture from the good old times has gone. But it was good then and what's good now is still too.
I would love to see some some scientific proof there is "no real benefit" to alcohol because I bet my life a lot of people found great friends and partners though alcohol, never mind the fun and culture previously mentioned aspects.
Look no one is forcing you to drink. Chill out man. You can go be boring somewhere else.
"Driving is driving, rape is rape" is as stupid to say as "guns don't kill people, people kill people".
And you want to see what science is saying, just go take a glance at the wikipedia page since you obviously never did. Probably the biggest list of negative effects I've seen on wikipedia, and I can't find anything really positive. And making friends through alcohol just means that you find friends that share your alcoholism, but people also make a lot of friends without the need for alcohol.
No one is forcing me to drink, sure (assuming that it is true and that refusing a drink is not something that could cost you a job for example), but they do force me to be in danger because of the dangerous behaviours caused by alcohol. Once again, it's a bit like saying "don't complain about guns, no one is forcing you to have one". The difference being that guns are probably much less popular and dangerous than alcohol in most countries.