I know I’ve expressed dislike for the guy in the past, but seriously? I thought for even something like this, he would at least have a good take on it.
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Yeah, I also got shaken a little bit ngl. I really don't know shit and can't say much about the reality on the ground in the country, and every friend I have in the liberal human rights/charity sphere is always talking about the humanitarian crisis etc. etc. I want to chalk it up to neolib propaganda exaggerating the effects of US enforced sanctions, but there probably are mistakes coming from the current Chavista leadership if the crisis has deepened as profoundly as I'm constantly being told.
One thing I picked up on was the Carter Center not being given access to verify the results this time around but that they had every time before. I'm trying to get a look at some of their old reports to see what they had said about the past, but any comrades have an idea of why this relationship would have been broken? I assume it's lib institution (it's named after Carter....), but a break in such a historical relationship is worthy of note to me.
I mean, having the U.S. quite literally attempting to stag a coup and then maintain a government in exile for 4 years would put a damper on me giving any information to any U.S. affiliated institution, non-profit or otherwise. Edit: There is nothing preventing them from lying about the results. Other U.S. organizations have done it before.
That said, bourgeoisie democracy is a complete farce anyways, I get why BE is being a whiny little child though, it's no fun when the sucdems ban the ML party, but idk why the ML people assumed Maduro would be on their side. Their party runs the street orgs and military, they aren't just going to give them up to some nerds who read some books. Especially if their response to getting banned is literally interventionist theory from the U.S.
Ultimately it doesn't really matter how Maduro did in the elections (though he probably did win them because again, they run the street organizations). What matters is that Venezuela will likely not 'get better' under a neoliberal thumb. Venezuela is between a rock and a hard place. I don't envy the leadership or the populace there.
Yeah that would be a good reason. And I didn't know about the ML party getting banned. Is that the Communist Party of Venezuela that is now denouncing Maduro? It does seem silly and suicidal to side with the US backed opp as a response... sort of like what libs think us not supporting the dems is.
Yeah, that's been an ongoing saga for the past couple of years. I was very critical of the decision to ban it initially, you know soc-dems doing soc-dems things, but the CPV's interventionist response to being banned has me thinking that they have been completely compromised by U.S. money or promises.
Communist Parties do do that often times when the ruling socialist or progressive anti-west government turn on them. Happened in Iran to half the communist movement, happened in Egypt under Nasser, happened twice in Syria during and after the UAR, happened in Peru under Velasco though in a situation in which the PCP remainder supported the government but the government refused to work with them meanwhile PCP split and many Marxists opposed or remained critical of the government. In those last three cases that is while the USSR has close ties to the government.
Sometimes it is people being cranks, but that is not to say there is not a serious precedent for the international position of supporting progressive governments means the squashing of real communist movements in a given country. The USSR and China had their fair share of backing strategic leaders and a good call or not for the USSR, it often times was harmful to a country's potential move towards communism.
Even when CPV was backing PSUV there was tension and Marxists calling PSUV revisionist and CPV leadership tailists, so the CC becoming embittered tailists who got pissed when their position in the alliance never rose is not crazy