Fascists don't believe in might makes right. If they did, they'd all be liberals and communists, according to the end of WW2. What fascists believe is that their 'enemy' can be crushed because the enemy is too weak and effete to fight back. The proper way to dispel such a notion is to crush them and look fabulous doing it

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People have been doing that for years and it's obvious to anyone with any insight that they won't listen and don't care.

[–] letsgocrazy@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

But fascism wss also heavily defeated by a world war and that didn't stop it.

So if you're picking things that don't work, then violence also doesn't work.

It's almost as if you are more interested in ideating about committing violence than actually solving the problem.

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It did stop it. You're just more interested in ensuring the left, minorities, women and other vulnerable groups stay vulnerable by taking away the only option they have left, because you're just a shill who cares more about stymieing the left via nonviolence than you do about their lives, or the lives of women, minorities, or any vulnerable group.

It’s almost as if you are more interested in ideating about committing violence than actually solving the problem.

Violence is never going to be immoral in this context no matter how much you want it to be, grow the fuck up. And I AM going to focus on it as a meaningful solution because it IS a vitally important one, because the bigots turning the legal system against their victims in the U.S. WON'T listen, and you're not going to shame me or make me feel guilty or afraid for saying so.

You're running the same old playbook, exploiting fears I used to have of losing your approval or your moral blessing, of you turning other people against me, or convincing others to not like me, or depriving me of social standing, or telling me off and humiliating me as scumfucks like you did my entire life for every dumbass reason under the sun and like you did EVERY time I tried to tell you we needed to solve these problems violently on Reddit, and you didn't listen back then, so here we are. You're STILL playing by the same miserable, cynical, manipulative, cruel and twisted playbook, still repeating the same talking points thinking you're going to convince me and the left violence is immoral and we cannot do it while bigots use it non-stop as they please and you do not bat an eye, because you care more about guaranteeing left nonviolence than you do about solving the problem and saving their lives.

Well, guess what buttercup, it's a new age and you can't dominate political discussion or completely shut down debate on the use of violence to stop fascists anymore. And you can't bully me using words anymore; my stance by its nature means I don't have to listen to you anymore, and the defederated web means I don't have to fear getting banned anymore for telling the truth.

You can't silence me, or censor me, or intimidate me by using your pathetic manipulative tricks and you can't do that to the rest of the left anymore, and I'll make sure you can't.

And that's the end of the "debate".

[–] WolfhoundRO@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Fascism defeat still omitted Spain, they remained like so until Franco's death in 1975.

Believe it or not, fascism was not about just the violence and the racial commentary. It is a reactionary and grotesque metamorphosis of the earlier imperialistic, domination and moralistic ideas. Many of the fascists regimes kept their monarchs as figureheads (Italy, Romania, Japan) and Franco post-humously reinstated the monarchy in Spain. And the fascists regimes heavily used forced work camps, even if they used them primarily for extermination. But, if one such regime would have been created 100 years ago, they would surely have traded slaves with the US South. So you can't destroy the fascism without squashing its parent ideology, the imperialism