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Aight, lemme see into this
I don't think such sentiments are exclusive to them, about such views, though I'm pretty sure the ruling capitalist class probably killed off any revolutionary, instead of it being an isolated internal destruction of such
Ok, then, let's read into why it is so:
tldr: U.S infiltration of the largest union AFL-CIO board, and the process of its labor-aristocratization and dominance by pro-bourgeois liberal professional managers, who co-opted and rid of any decent labor policies, let alone, revolutionary energy
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However,
I'm not a Trotskyist, but I believed, compared to the regular shit they say of Stalin, USSR, and their views on idpol, this is a reasonable point of view, given their circumstances
Do you think they just fell from the coconut tree and declared this an eternal law?
No I think it's a incorrect analysis to conclude that all labor unions are collaborating with capitalism based on one example, when labor unions have largely been a force which has fought against capitalism. I think you're foolish for trying to defend them. They do partcipate in labor unions and they try to abolish the unions from within. The WSWS was promoting a Trotskyist guy who was trying to abolish the UAW.
Oh, I see... they're against Shawn Fain... that's an L on their part
Ok, maybe, I'm getting to see your point, that they are very harsh and condemning of labor unions
I don't think you're quite getting it. You're trying to rationalize their language with your own framework but they don't operate on your framework. I'm not being hyperbolic when I use the phrase "abolish". That is the word that they used, not me. They are against Shawn Fain, yes, but they're also against the concept of labor unions in general. The trotskyist guy who ran against Shawn Fain ran with "Abolish the UAW" as his core #1 campaign promise and was shocked when he lost. They want to abolish all labor unions, not just the UAW. The SEP are acting as obstructionists to labor organizing.
I see, tysm... they're anti-labor union overall... this is a disastrous move on their part.