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[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 48 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

Problem is, voting is none of those things because it is totally ineffectual. It doesn't enact any meaningful change. It takes time and energy away from effort better spent organising.

Voting isn't leaving the house and getting exercise, it's ordering a diet coke along with 20 burgers and expecting to improve your health.

[–] huf@hexbear.net 34 points 3 months ago (1 children)

it's ordering a diet coke along with 20 burgers and expecting to improve your health.

the other guy would make you order a normal coke with 20 burgers, so you gotta vote blue jack

[–] Findom_DeLuise@hexbear.net 8 points 3 months ago

Those burgers didn't just fall out of a coconut tree! They exist within the context of all that came before.

[–] Munrock@lemmygrad.ml 31 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Problem is, voting is none of those things because it is totally ineffectual.

It's worse than that: voting for the dems acts against meaningful change: no one votes for 3rd options, so 3rd options never develop any potential, so no one votes for 3rd options. So they queue up to kiss either cheek of the same ass and say there was nothing they could do.

Voting 3rd party or not voting are far, far better than this stubborn nonsense.

[–] WafflesTasteGood@hexbear.net 27 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I'll always drop the exception that it's potentially worth voting in local politics, particularly in small remote communities. These vary in frequency and often don't always overlap the major elections and are largely ignored.

City and county positions can have a real tangible impact on your daily life and the amount of votes to swing these elections can be really small in a lot of America. It's still an uphill battle against landlords and small business tyrants, but it's something real local organizing can overcome.

[–] Gay_Tomato@hexbear.net 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I think the fact that you can actually organize voting at that level is often overlooked when talking about local elections.

[–] ChaosMaterialist@hexbear.net 19 points 3 months ago

The load-bearing word is organize. With that alone you can accomplish great things.

[–] Findom_DeLuise@hexbear.net 8 points 3 months ago

Also keeping QAnon freaks off of the local school board.

[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 18 points 3 months ago

Voting itself isn’t much of a time/energy sink, it’s like 30 minutes every couple years, but yeah burning organizational time/energy to run a low profile, lost cause third party or primary campaign is typically less useful than labor organizing, tenant organizing, etc.