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[–] autismdragon@hexbear.net 24 points 4 months ago (3 children)

The narrative here used to be that Trump was an all timer as a weak candidate and historically hated and that only Hillary could have lost to him. Then it slightly evolved that Biden is historically weak to oppose him now too, but really to me thats only because his brain is melting before our eyes. I think literally anyone else can kick his ass lol.

[–] Leegh@hexbear.net 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The thing you're forgetting though is that Kamala is ALSO a shitty candidate like Hillary and Biden was.

As others have already pointed out, she is the only candidate who polled worse than Biden against Trump. She's nowhere near the level of charm and charisma Obama was.

At least half the country thinks she's a Cultural Marxist that will destroy America (I wish). And her fanbase is nearly identical to Hillary's was (suburbanite wine moms).

Of course her being younger, not part of any political dynasty, and also actually non-White could tip the scales in her favour. But we'll see.

[–] autismdragon@hexbear.net 8 points 4 months ago

she is the only candidate who polled worse than Biden against Trump.

This has changed is the thing.

I also dont think she's as viscerally unlikealbe as Hillary was, nor does she have her baggage. I stand by thinking Hillary was uniquely qualified to lose to Trump and the only reason Biden entered that category is that he's dying lol.

[–] Mokey@hexbear.net 8 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Oh no i think most people lose in a match up with trump unless its another celebrity

[–] autismdragon@hexbear.net 19 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I don't think so. His approval rating has always been low and Democrats are super energized by abortion (they were only being deflated because Biden old, some by Gaza obv but not enough to matter). He beat Hillary because Hillary sucks ass. As I said in another comment, "a particularly youthful looking broom with a wig on and a speech bubble attatched to it saying "abortion" could probably beat Trump".

I'm standing by the old narrative. Trump sucks ass and it took a particularly shitty candidate to lose to him (Hillary).

[–] Mokey@hexbear.net 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Approval ratings and polls mean nothing at all, basically anecdotal information

Kamala is also a shitty candidate tbf and has the same low energy fakeness hillary had

Luv u but i disagree respectfully

[–] Kieselguhr@hexbear.net 2 points 4 months ago

Approval ratings and polls mean nothing at all, basically anecdotal information

But even in polls Kamala is not doing too well

[–] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Trump loses to “generic unnamed democrat” in most polls. Literally any democrat under the age of 65 will likely beat Trump. Kamala’s one of the weaker options, I’m pretty sure most of the Dem governors poll better than her, but she still beats Trump in most matchups.

[–] Mokey@hexbear.net 4 points 4 months ago

Polls are worthless

[–] RedDawn@hexbear.net 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I think you’re underestimating how many people hate Trump and how much. Remember that he actually got fewer votes than Hillary AND lost to Biden once already.

[–] Mokey@hexbear.net 4 points 4 months ago

That doesnt matter though and also more people are less willing to vote for the party who doesnt do shit and participates in genocide

[–] Kieselguhr@hexbear.net 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Couple of weeks ago Kamala polled 42 to 41 winning against Trump, well within the margin of error.

Harris is ahead by 1 point in the poll by the firm Bendixen & Amandi Inc. She would edge out Trump 42%-41%. The survey showed 12% undecided and 3% support going to third-party candidates. It had a margin of error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points.

[–] autismdragon@hexbear.net 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Which is an improvement over Biden and I assume the same hidden zoomer vote from 2022 will come into play again. I dont think anyone else is polling better against him? And even if they are, it looks REALLY bad if the DNC pivots to someone else.

[–] Kieselguhr@hexbear.net 2 points 4 months ago

I think literally anyone else can kick his ass lol.

This is what I was reacting to, as it's far from the truth, I don't give a shit about the exact candidate to be honest either way. I still watch because what happens in the centre of the empire reverberates in the periphery.

Not that polls count, but according to the polls, Kamala could lose the same way Hillary did.