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A marginalized group does not receive human rights, they are stripped of them. The removal of your birthrights should be violently opposed as soon as possible.
I think you just conveniently defined the concept of “rights” out of existence
No, it's in there. The "rights" are part of a number of societal rules which depend on the "dance" (of life). In this case, the fighting for said rights and communicating that they exist are part of the "dance".
The rest of it I was describing life, because consequences matter where I live at least. And since it seemed "natural rights" were bound only by the consequences you are willing to take, then they are the same as life itself, which I thought was pretty funny.
https://existentialcomics.com/comic/393
Okay, but then they aren't rights. They're just things that we like and agree to protect.
Which only supports my point - natural rights aren't real.
They aren't real "rights", but they are real. You just defined them.
I don't mean to be hard headed. I feel like I agree with you since the beginning on the idea of it. I'm just stuck on the "isn't real" part of it.
Because I can very easily say "rights" aren't real as well. It's just pixels on a screen. :)
So when I say that "natural rights" aren't real, I'm saying that they don't really come from nature. They come from us, because nature was the first threat to our rights.
Yes, you're right, the rights we call "natural" exist in some form, because rights exist. I am not disputing the concept of rights or whether they exist at all. A right is just a fundamental building block of society; it is a First Principle that can be used to derive essential freedoms and justice within society.
My overall point is "natural rights" don't exist because there's not a good way to distinguish them from other rights. It's just ideology. All rights are unnatural because all rights are human social technologies. Rights don't come from god or nature or the inherent goodness of the human spirit, they come from human struggles.