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[–] Flemmbrav@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Make it just run and pre install it on most computers.

With "just run" I mean things like:

  • Audio just working
  • Bluetooth just working
  • Bluetooth and audio working together ~~(I still can't get this one right, after 5 evenings of trying)~~
  • WiFi supporting all the frequencies, instead of just some
  • remembering monitor configurations
  • Troubleshooting audio shouldn't mean that you almost completely kill your OS with that

You know, things like that that might cost you an evening or two or three to figure and make you feel like you're the rarest edge case alive. On Windows, these work just fine out of the box.

I know this ain't easy to get to, but I can't recommend people to use Linux when even a phones does perfectly fine out of the box results in at least an evening of troubleshooting.

[–] fugepe@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago (7 children)

man you must be using some fucked up distro because never had those problems in the last 4 years.

[–] Flemmbrav@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yeah I use Debian. (At least once a while when I decide to give it yet another shot...)

Edit: in case you are interested, I can give some extra details on that list, and how I fixed them or not. But all these fixes ain't a thing I'd expect the median user to be able to figure.

[–] Tippon@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Out of curiosity, how long ago did these problems happen? I've been using Mint and Xubuntu for a while now, but had to use a few different troubleshooting distros to fix a Windows boot issue, and none of these came up. As these are Debian based distros, I'd expect the same problems to filter down.

The only thing I've had issues with lately is setting up a USB wifi adapter on a Raspberry Pi, but I'd expect some problems with that.

[–] Flemmbrav@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Around a year ago I fixed the bigger issues, but I started with Linux around 5 years ago. The WiFi issue has been around a month ago, but didn't do a lot of troubleshooting outside of rebooting and browsing all wicd settings because well I was offline because of it. Didn't visit that place again and at home there's wifi on all bands as well as ethernet almost everywhere, so the issue doesn't hurt me that much.

Booted into it today to see if things are better, ran the update/upgrade/reboot after and:

  • Bluetooth seems to be better! It now connects to my headphones even when paired before. But now I fails a2dp even after forget/re-pair.
  • I had to start the system a couple of times before it actually did start, there's been some issues finding thermal data of the cpu during startup. I'll play around with it a bit these days, but sadly it did not magically just work.

Why would you expect issues with an external WiFi adapter for the RasPi?

[–] Tippon@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I wonder if it was an edge case that the Linux driver didn't account for, like a minor incompatibility between the two devices.

You've just reminded me that I had a Bluetooth problem with my laptop a few years ago. My headset would connect and work properly, but wouldn't be recognised after the laptop had either been to sleep or shut down. I had to go through the bluetooth device folder, something like /dev/bluetooth/, find the folder that corresponded with the headset's address, and delete the cache folder inside. It would then work until the next sleep / shut down.

I expected problems with the Pi because USB wifi has always seemed to be a bit dodgy, even on Windows, and wifi is apparently still a problem area with Linux. Add to that the Pi's limited distro, and I thought it was bound to go wrong.

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