I know you're being sarcastic, but I just absolutely despise that mentality. People seriously think that it's best to just roll over to the side and surrender every symbol the nazis want for themselves?

[–] TheSlad@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 months ago

Yes I was being sarcastic, and I agree with you 100%. The problem is that they start using these symbols and memes as a kind of dog whistle and then people catch on and anyone using them is immediately sus. We're not just rolling over and letting them take them, they are taking them by force.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

that concept is effectively just the heckler's veto, and indeed it fucking sucks.

If we let people continously ruin words and symbols such that we stop using them, they get to decide what words and symbols we use, and have a tool to shape discourse to their favour.

As a swede, i do not much like the idea of going "welp, nazis used viking imagery, we have to ban runes now", i don't want nazis to be able to merrily wipe out the last traces of our past culture.

[–] Hackworth@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Semiotics is such a fascinating study. The true power of language is astonishing, and I don't mean marketing. We live our lives in language. LLM's are going to change the relationship between the planes of content and expression so much that we're forced back to first principles. It's a bit surreal understanding this, and watching everyone argue over jobs and copyright.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

this sounds a lot like nonsense techbro talk

it's not like made up text is anything new, people have been running misinformation and propaganda campaigns for years and years, just using worse technology and more manual intervention. The only real difference is that it can be basically wholly automated at this point, which isn't nothing but i profoundly doubt it'll be some massive revolution.

[–] Hackworth@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Not to be a dick, but just because you don't understand it doesn't make it nonsense. I was well into semiotics before "tech bro" was a thing people say. Did you have a question?

[–] rmuk 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They did do a number on the swastika, in fairness.

[–] Deme@sopuli.xyz 3 points 4 months ago

Ok sure, but hindus still don't let that bother them.